Here are my suggestion to making the forum better..

[Jen]

Ok, here it goes. I don't post much when it comes to complaints or agreeing with things..

I just try to find the information I need and ween out the rest of the bullcrap...

1. Get rid of the rep system. Or put a limit on how many red reps you can give. This would eliminate the constant abuse of red reps.

2. Start a grave digging old post rule. I am on a forum where grave digging old topics was not allowed. This was followed by warnings then a ban. Obviously it's to raise their post count. Perhaps anything after 3 weeks to a month of no replies.

3. Have a requirement to gain access to the freebie section or a post count to reply. This would ween out all the "I want" posts clearly from those just wanting the freebies.

4. Some of the language being used around here is childish. I have seen racial slures, F word being thrown around ALOT. Perhaps take control of overusing swear words.

5. ENFORCE post watching for spam to raise post counts. Possibly more mods needed. The forum is growing and when a forum grows, it needs more mods.

6. Perhaps in the marketplace, each person could have a "store" when they have more to sell they update their store instead of creating more topics. This would require topic editing and editing the post time limit being lifted.

This forum needs to start acting like an imformation portal while still being fun and offering content for people to buy sell.

Maybe perhaps set a moderator in place to monitor all the newbies coming in so it will not get out of hand.

If you can't act mature, then this isn't the place for you.

These are just my observations, opinions and suggestions. Please don't bash me...lol

[123alex]

Jen I agree with you 100% The F word is used way to much, In fact shouldn't even be allowed on the forum at all. This WTF this should not be allowed at all.
That is my 2 cents.

[Jordan]

I have never myself seen the usage of racial slurs on this forum to be honest, if I did I wouldn't be very happy - but come on, swear words are a completely different thing.
I use them occasionally to show how serious i am, sometimes it's the only way to show it aha. The majority of swear words are filtered out as **** in most cases anyway.

I agree with the majority of the rules but the shop rule - that would mean that people that want to sell can bring up their old topics to sell more crap, when they're going to make the $5 it takes to make the thread right back anyway.

[Jen]

I have seen the "N" word being used.

If this forum is gonna attract the younger ones, there is no need for the "F" word. The common swear words like B**ch, etc I have no issues with, its more the "F" word that doesn't need to be here.

I see nothing wrong with sellers replying to their "shop" it could attract more buyers for them for the stuff that got lost in the shuffle. Although it would mean the forum stops getting $5 for each marketplace topic made.

Maybe charge a one time fee for a shop.

Like I said, there just suggestions.

[RKGraphics]

im guilty of using the F word many times lately, but it has been because i lost my temper with some of the members who are either banned or being close to being banned....which was my bad and i have already posted many times lately that posting immaturly to an immature person just makes things worse.

you have awesome suggestions and i totally agree. i think more mods are needed....but not just mods, ones that aren't going to abuse their power.

this is an information site, with subforums to BS. thats how it was before. the forums are there but it seems like the BS is moving in to the information threads.

[Jen]

We are all guilty of using certain things and doing certain things, but it's what the mods are supposed to do is control it.

Another suggestion is

Stop flame wars before they begin.

Again it comes down to more mods.

[kenzie]

I like the idea of having a "store" in the marketplace. It would help keep the marketplace more organized without having 5 new threads a week by one person. :)

[Scilynt]

I like #3 a lot. Although the freebies are great for designers/coders to get some exposure and potential clients and gauge how their content may sell, it does work a lot like bait and brings in quite a few people just wanting to grab those and run. Maybe requiring like 50 post before you can view the freebie forum...that we know they are at least here for a while.

Though we also probably bring in a few new longer term members who came here and got addicted to the freebies lol.

[RKGraphics]

or maybe the freebies section can be invite only?
i know thats hard to moderate
but doing a 50 post requirement before being able to view can also work

[RKGraphics]

We are all guilty of using certain things and doing certain things, but it's what the mods are supposed to do is control it.

Another suggestion is

Stop flame wars before they begin.

Again it comes down to more mods.

i know some think mods cant do it all and watch everything. but i was one puney little person on DP and i posted a topic in the most unused subforum about the most insignificant thing, and sure enough...a mod was watching and i got an infraction for starting a topic in the wrong place.

i think the information/help threads start innocently enough but turn in to drama almost always....thats what needs to be watch, so like you say stop flame before it begins.

[wce]

This isn't a bible forum, nor is it a childrens playground. Swear words shouldn't be filtered period IMO. We're all supposed to be grown ups and should be able to handle a curse word. After all, it's just a word. Taking offense to words, IMO, is silly. It's no different than any other sound that comes out of ones mouth.

But I agree, these little flaming wars between 7th graders needs to stop. I've had it with the he said, she said stuff. I hate to say it, but it's the young people that are doing this. I don't want to say enact an age limit (as it would never work), but man, it's sure getting to that point. It's very unfortunate for the young folk who ARE mature and able to handle themselves and conduct themselves in a mature, professional manner.

Remember, this forum is called "Myspace Pros", pros standing for professionals. A large portion of our users are anything BUT professionals. These flame wars should result in a temporary ban. I think if mods began banning people 2-3-4 days at a time, after, say, 3 temp bans it becomes perm. I don't agree with immediately perm banning people, that won't teach anyone a lesson. It will result in the creation of a new username, more flaming, etc.

Other ideas regarding market place etc that Jen mentioned are great.

Oh, and yeah, lets ditch the rep stuff. It is really worthless as it can be given for any reason what so ever, good or bad, you never find out who left it, etc. It's silly.

[SlickEddie]

you should set it to say 50 post count "and" positive rep (no red bar)/no warnings. And/or, only 5 posts per day can count towards the 50. This way, if they're simply "padding" their post count then they get red repped/warned. And/or they won't be tempted to post as much "padded" posts knowing that only 5 per day will count.

[RKGraphics]

yes, some of the younger kids are making it harder for the more mature, younger kids to get respect. some of the older people too, however, don't know when to stop either. you are very right though. i just think bottom line is to watch the flaming and finger pointing.

i don't think there is any excuse for not being able to PM the person you have an issue with. i think public exposure of something is just retaliation. i think if its not resolved via PM....and you're trying to find answers, then a public post to find answers is great, but i think posting accusations as a "last resort" is wrong.

i think if people are going to go public with a problem, it should be posting with myspace pros standards, which is knowing your facts before posting about an issue which will avoid "accusations". like say i know for a fact that someone is scamming everyone and its a large scale issue, then i would post my facts and let everyone know. but to just assume something is going on and posting that has been causing a lot of problems.

[Melly]

I think your suggestions are great, the mods I agree are dispertly needed, I only see a handful of active staff, and the members way out number the staff. I love the store idea that'd be great.

[Jessica61981]

Very good ideas. :)

If I may throw one at there too: I think that when a issue has been solved the thread should be closed. So it doesn't drag on for no reason.

[RKGraphics]

Very good ideas. :)

If I may throw one at there too: I think that when a issue has been solved the thread should be closed. So it doesn't drag on for no reason.

......agreed

[minnseoelite]

I agree we need another mod or two. Not only to help watch threads but to give us other mods a break now and then. As for the language I agree racial slurs are uncalled for but i have no problem with colorful language as long as its not excessive such as people posting one post and using the F word 4 times. I will admit i swear in some of my post but I always censor myself even with the word *ss.

As for the flame threads we monitor those closely but backed off on closing them right away as it started leading to even more problems with members going off either starting another flame thread or just picking a random thread and turning that into a flame war because they were moderated and not allowed to express their frustration or give their opinions.

I agree with Tina there has been way to much "calling out" on the forums without the person even trying to settle it in private first or contacting a mod/admin to try and help settle the problem. Overall I know what this forum has been and still could be if people would just start using a little common sense and respect twards other members again, we all have our own real life problems and I think to many people are brining it to the forum in the form of anger or frustration

[tyranny]

I agree with wce. I am here to do business with and exchange ideas with people who are running a resource site as a business. People who are in it for the long haul and are interested in making real money, hundreds, if not thousands of dollars a day, not $50 a month for a new sweater. I appreciate that those types of people can be any age, and that is fine, I don't have an issue with age.

What I have a problem with is the mentality that this forum is a "friends chat" spot instead of a business forum where we can exchange ideas and do business (buying & selling, trading information) that I get let down. Long ago I knew I could come here for good information, real high quality sales, and other people interested in taking advantage of the myspace resource boom.

I am an adult, a business owner, a wife and mother. I am here to do business, get ideas, exchange information and grow my business that I have run online for many years now. I own over 100 sites (only a few msr sites) and take my work seriously. And do not need to sort through petty arguments to get to a few good posts.

[Greg-J]

I agree with wce. I am here to do business with and exchange ideas with people who are running a resource site as a business. People who are in it for the long haul and are interested in making real money, hundreds, if not thousands of dollars a day, not $50 a month for a new sweater. I appreciate that those types of people can be any age, and that is fine, I don't have an issue with age.

What I have a problem with is the mentality that this forum is a "friends chat" spot instead of a business forum where we can exchange ideas and do business (buying & selling, trading information) that I get let down. Long ago I knew I could come here for good information, real high quality sales, and other people interested in taking advantage of the myspace resource boom.

I am an adult, a business owner, a wife and mother. I am here to do business, get ideas, exchange information and grow my business that I have run online for many years now. I own over 100 sites (only a few msr sites) and take my work seriously. And do not need to sort through petty arguments to get to a few good posts.
Concise, to the point and well said. If everyone approached these forums with this attitude this would be my ideal workplace.

I do enjoy some random chat here and there, but I very much agree with the above statement.

[minnseoelite]

i think there is still alot of good info going around on here. i have no problem with random chat only when a thread with good info or someones link exchange thread turns into a 10 page debate. In the last week I have taken two threads cleaned them up and made a post saying to keep it on topic or not to fight on the thread and within less than 5 minutes people are trashing the thread again. I seen a few posts here saying the mods need to watch things more but we are not babysitters and this is not a dictatorship, it is also up to the members to follow through.

[RKGraphics]

yeah. i seem to have posted something like that earlier as a suggestion, we as members should also conduct ourselves in the way we want to be treated and take the higher road, and make the forum how we want it because it takes all of us.........................but

[RKGraphics]

What I have a problem with is the mentality that this forum is a "friends chat" spot instead of a business forum where we can exchange ideas and do business (buying & selling, trading information) that I get let down. Long ago I knew I could come here for good information, real high quality sales, and other people interested in taking advantage of the myspace resource boom.


if the majority of members feel this way then get rid of the forums that are made for chatting and BS'ing. more and more people say this is a forum to conduct business, not for hanging out and chatting. then why do we have a townhall for doing exactly that? that's what its there for. if its unwanted (which i actually see a lot of senior members using it to just be personable), then get rid of it.

like jason said. its the BS'ing thats being brought in to the business threads that are out of control.

[minnseoelite]

yeah. i seem to have posted something like that earlier as a suggestion, we as members should also conduct ourselves in the way we want to be treated and take the higher road, and make the forum how we want it because it takes all of us.........................but

yup i know thats what i was trying to reinforce with my post :) so people need to give you credit for that not me I am just agreeing with what I see from members here

[mincioni]

IMHO, allowing non-business chat like "What car do you drive," "I'm bored" or "What's for dinner" makes MSP unique and fun-- as long as it's taking place in the proper subforum. Taking these little chats away would make MSP a much drier place to hang out.

I agree that the F word shouldn't be allowed, but IMO "WTF" is less offensive and can sometimes get the point across. ;)

MySpace itself can be a wild place to hang out and I think that attitude sometimes carries into MSP. I think that's cool as long as its properly moderated and doesn't result in flame wars.

My 2 cents. :)

[Jen]

I came here and joined for the simple fact of helping getting my site going, getting advice, etc. Not to sit here and sift through all the bull.

I want to continue my experience, have fun while maintaing a professional attitude here.

Im gald that these suggestions are being looked at seriously.

I have no issues with "WTF" but the word itself is not needed. While I also agree that we should be acting like grown ups but let's be real as long as a forum recruits new younger members, that's not gonna be possible unless it's highly monitored.

There are a few bad apples in the bunch.

As for closing flame wars....oh well. That's life. Would you rather close a flame war and hear the BS from those two people about speaking their mind rather than having to go through this? Unhappy members? I think dealing with the two or whoever involved in a flame war is far more better then dealing with 100+ members who are unhappy at how things got out of control.

[rize]

im okay with the WTF, one problem here is the stupid threads, im okay with some of them like the jokes etc. but there are just some threads that are so ..... In short i miss the old MSP, i miss the old members..

[Melly]

im okay with the WTF, one problem here is the stupid threads, im okay with some of them like the jokes etc. but there are just some threads that are so ..... In short i miss the old MSP, i miss the old members..

Wow, I feel welcomed lol...

[Precious]

im okay with the WTF, one problem here is the stupid threads, im okay with some of them like the jokes etc. but there are just some threads that are so ..... In short i miss the old MSP, i miss the old members..


Yep, same here. I'm sorry but this place is just NOTHING like it used to be... I can't even think of words to describe how I feel, right now...

[SlickEddie]

both you (melly) and rize have the same join date...

[Melly]

both you (melly) and rize have the same join date...
But I never started posting until just the last week of the firesale, I posted a few times but not much. So I am still fresh meat here lol...

[Jordan]

Yep, same here. I'm sorry but this place is just NOTHING like it used to be... I can't even think of words to describe how I feel, right now...
I wouldn't say the change is that drastic but yes it's definitely noticeable.

I miss the days where I could actually sell a pack at a decent price without having 50 glitter threads surrounding it selling glitters for 5 cents. I can't even make enough here so I've just stopped making regular marketplace threads really.

I also miss when there were mods like Selena that showed the maturity needed for a position such as moderator, and supressed the stereotype that is all teenagers are immature and have nothing valuable to offer. Thanks to the recent immature threads, posts and unprovoked drama, it's hard to find a good, informative yet relative thread here anymore. Also I don't like being constantly stereotyped, I don't need people on here telling me that I'm immature and have nothing of value to offer as well as making me feel unwelcomed. This is not your forum, keep in mind that there are others here that can be offended by what you say.

I have no issues with "WTF" but the word itself is not needed. While I also agree that we should be acting like grown ups but let's be real as long as a forum recruits new younger members, that's not gonna be possible unless it's highly monitored.
Swear words are everywhere, they're a part of every day life. I don't see the point in sheltering people - I mean, if their parents didn't want them seeing a swear word in their life they wouldn't let their kids on the internet. But whatever I'm not in the position to make that decision :) Filtering out words isn't too bad, just as long as I still type words like 'crap' without getting a '****' instead.

[RKGraphics]

rep....

maybe, taking out the ability to leave comments when leaving rep would change the way people respond to it. that way they only see the topic they were repped for, and not be allowed to write so many disrespectful things that then cause rep wars.

[minnseoelite]

rep....

maybe, taking out the ability to leave comments when leaving rep would change the way people respond to it. that way they only see the topic they were repped for, and not be allowed to write so many disrespectful things that then cause rep wars.


yeah i agree Tina i think people use rep to try to sneak in comments like "your a f*cking *sshole" and other nonsense remarks. i see no need to be able to comment when repping

[layoutcentral]

rep....

maybe, taking out the ability to leave comments when leaving rep would change the way people respond to it. that way they only see the topic they were repped for, and not be allowed to write so many disrespectful things that then cause rep wars.

I agree, but I wish we could only disable rep comments for red instead of btoh green and red...

[[edit]]

reason being is if you gave out freebies or something its nice to see what people have to say about them.. =/

[RKGraphics]

I agree, but I wish we could only disable rep comments for red instead of btoh green and red...

i hear you, but i think it cant be a double standard. i think if you are repped, and it shows for which topic, then you'll know why you got it and don't need the extra comments :stuart:

edit//just saw your post. i think leaving comments in the thread could be the alternative if you want to show your appreciation.

[Melly]

I think disapproving red rep altogether would be great lol :D I feel if someone needs to bad mouth me they can either do it in a pm or a pager. I think its a bit cowardly to red rep with a mouthing off comment lol...

[Jen]

Its a shame that we are even suggesting getting rid of it because it does hurt those who abuse it and it takes away the good in it.

If it could only be monitored and enforce. Perhaps when someone abuses it, take their ability away from repping. I know in most forum software on the admin side you can take away the ability on a member to member basis.

Again, it comes down to monitoring.

When I ran my forum, I monitored everything. I checked repping logs for those who abused it. Then took it away from those who abused it. So many complained about it and getting bad reps. But it took the fun away from those who are innocent. Why should a few bad seeds spoilt it for everyone?

Rules, rules, rules is what needs to happen and enforce them.

We want this forum to be professional yet fun, then make sure its ran professional and dont put up with the bullcrap.

It's still happening in a few threads still. When will this end?

[RKGraphics]

or we change the rep colors to blue and purple. that way it doesnt look so offensive. LOL

kinda kidding, but in a way....colors can have a major effect.

if im not mistaken, so many bad reps and you get a temp ban??? is that why we have it? just curious.

[layoutcentral]

i hear you, but i think it cant be a double standard. i think if you are repped, and it shows for which topic, then you'll know why you got it and don't need the extra comments :stuart:

edit//just saw your post. i think leaving comments in the thread could be the alternative if you want to show your appreciation.

yeah I didn't think about that, okiee then no need for 'rep comments'

[minnseoelite]

or we change the rep colors to blue and purple. that way it doesnt look so offensive. LOL

kinda kidding, but in a way....colors can have a major effect.

if im not mistaken, so many bad reps and you get a temp ban??? is that why we have it? just curious.


im not sure about that. i know there is a member here that has 4 red rep blobs and they are still here......

[layoutcentral]

or we change the rep colors to blue and purple. that way it doesnt look so offensive. LOL

kinda kidding, but in a way....colors can have a major effect.

if im not mistaken, so many bad reps and you get a temp ban??? is that why we have it? just curious.

or maybe blue && yellow ? lol (kindergarden moment)

[Jordan]

or we change the rep colors to blue and purple. that way it doesnt look so offensive. LOL

kinda kidding, but in a way....colors can have a major effect.

if im not mistaken, so many bad reps and you get a temp ban??? is that why we have it? just curious.
Why not pink? :)
I don't think that's the case, because then any member could get another member banned with a couple of red reps. That doesn't sound right at all.

[RKGraphics]

i dont know where i heard that then. my mistake.

[jeremy860]

That reputation feature on this board kinda annoys me. I mean Ad disengaged red repped me because I said I have never been on an airplane. How corrupt is that.

[Connections]

not my problem any more I am not really going to post here any more.

sick for this place.

[RKGraphics]

That reputation feature on this board kinda annoys me. I mean Ad disengaged red repped me because I said I have never been on an airplane. How corrupt is that.

well. unfortunately he was one of those people trolling the forums red repping people. there were a bunch that were hit by him. i was hit 4 times by him.

[layoutcentral]

well. unfortunately he was one of those people trolling the forums red repping people. there were a bunch that were hit by him. i was hit 4 times by him.

i haven't been red repped yet but I am sure i will eventually.... all of my rep is randomly dissapearing hm... :detective:

[Jordan]

is there a way to look further back at your rep points or can you only see the 'latest reputation points' section :| or am i just being blind again lmfao.

[Melly]

is there a way to look further back at your rep points or can you only see the 'latest reputation points' section :| or am i just being blind again lmfao.
Yeah was wondering that myself, I asked someone but never got an answer teehee...

[Kasami2k4]

Think it only shows most recent =p I dunno, I kinda like the rep feature. It's like a game. It promotes freebies and good posts.

It's immaturity that wrecks it. And flat out stupidity. I think I've given out 3 red reps in my entire time being here, and I feel the people I gave it to deserved it. (Cept for Melly, when I thought she was being rude when she wasn't)

Ive gotten red repped once that I know of. By cyclops when I posted that I reported foxylayouts for phishing. Dunno why hes so protective of a known phishing site.. but eh.. *Shrug*

[Connections]

yeah dishing out red rep for saying some ones site has alot of direct traffic is a great call isnt it, your just a example of why this feature is a joke.

[pimpyourdino]

Connections, this thread was created for rep harmony not for more of your... well drama. Personally I love the whole rep system, it kinda makes you aware of who to stay away from.

[Jen]

Its not just about the rep system. There is more to this thread.

[RKGraphics]

exactly. this thread was created for constructive suggestions to improve the forum. not more finger pointing.

[Kasami2k4]

The freebie section should definitely be post count limited. To yeah, like 25...

(Sorry Jen.. Looks like I brought Drama to your thread just by posting :\ )

[layoutcentral]

exactly. this thread was created for constructive suggestions to improve the forum. not more finger pointing.

I think the freebies section should really be a matter of post count. or at least I thkn it's a good idea..

*edit**

sorry I didn't see your post kasami2k4

[Greg-J]

not my problem any more I am not really going to post here any more.

sick for this place.
Connections, you are free to go. Nobody is keeping you here forcing you to post. You have said you are leaving this place, but you're still posting....


As for rep. I'm going to delete it all and adjust the rep system so that a single rep for a senior member doesn't put you at 4 green bars. The rep system can be useful, but in this forums infancy I multiplied its effect many times forward just for kicks. It was fun then, but I of all people know how important rep can be to some people so I'll strive to make the system more balanced. I won't be able to do this for some days, possibly weeks do to myeeos's impending public beta - but it is on my priority list.

[dumb-diddy-doo]

Its not just about the rep system. There is more to this thread.

I am sure there is. But unless we are looking forward to a flame fest, will it ever be able to be discussed openly or in a mature manner? =|

But by all means, feel free to start us off. rofl (not really very funny)

[minnseoelite]

i think we can discuss things on this thread in a non flaming way IF the members here want to

[Connections]

Connections, you are free to go. Nobody is keeping you here forcing you to post. You have said you are leaving this place, but you're still posting....


As for rep. I'm going to delete it all and adjust the rep system so that a single rep for a senior member doesn't put you at 4 green bars. The rep system can be useful, but in this forums infancy I multiplied its effect many times forward just for kicks. It was fun then, but I of all people know how important rep can be to some people so I'll strive to make the system more balanced. I won't be able to do this for some days, possibly weeks do to myeeos's impending public beta - but it is on my priority list.


I just think you are making the wrong choices here,

what is this place
(1) graphics chat room for young kids

(2) myspace resource help site information.

recently I have got a few pm's from a lot of member's regarding a lot of things to do with this forum and projects run by here and It really has made me think twice.

I have really helped this place and now to be treated liek **** by new members is a joke, I am sick of it you can just tell all the old school members to go which I will wow its your forum your stuff, if you dont want to take real advice.

Let pimp my dino and tfb designs post up quality information regarding myspace resource sites, to be honest I have not seen one half decent post done in a while.

and to say my posts in here are not warranted :S look at the title "Here are my suggestion to making the forum better.." I am providing valid info here...


but its too late for things to be fixed, have fun on the graphics chat room.

Also people please don't pm me asking me to help set up a new myspace pros forums.



thanks

[AnnieBui]

6. Perhaps in the marketplace, each person could have a "store" when they have more to sell they update their store instead of creating more topics. This would require topic editing and editing the post time limit being lifted.

That sounds like a good idea. I guess that would be bad for the owner of the site, bc they won't be making as much money tho.

[Melly]

I just think you are making the wrong choices here,

what is this place
(1) graphics chat room for young kids

(2) myspace resource help site information.

recently I have got a few pm's from a lot of member's regarding a lot of things to do with this forum and projects run by here and It really has made me think twice.

I have really helped this place and now to be treated liek **** by new members is a joke, I am sick of it you can just tell all the old school members to go which I will wow its your forum your stuff, if you dont want to take real advice.

Let pimp my dino and tfb designs post up quality information regarding myspace resource sites, to be honest I have not seen one half decent post done in a while.

and to say my posts in here are not warranted :S look at the title "Here are my suggestion to making the forum better.." I am providing valid info here...


but its too late for things to be fixed, have fun on the graphics chat room.

Also people please don't pm me asking me to help set up a new myspace pros forums.



thanks

No offince, but you took Greg's post and read what you wanted and then riped it apart, he was only saying what you said, you said you were leaving and you are still here fighting, He was only saying, he doesn't have time to deal with pitty little "I am leaving" *pout pour me* posts, if you want to leave, then it really doesn't effect him, however I am sure he doesn't want you to leave, but what is he suppose to say? I mean you are sitting here and dumping all over him right now. I think Greg is doing a great job, he has alot on his plate, I guess if you've never ran a forum you really don't get it. None of my forums ever been this big, but there is still alot of work in it. I am sure he doesn't WANT you to leave, but if you are going to sit and whine that ur leaving and yet still stay here, comeon, sounds to me you want a pitty party. I have read about 5 threads you have made whining, I understand that there are jerks on here, but there is also an ignore feature. We can't make everyone think the way we do or respond the way we do. This forum isn't like it use to be. Instead of yapping on and on how ur leaving and this place just isn't ur style anymore, do something about it. I am not being rude, I am telling you what most people probley want to tell you or are trying to tell ya. Seriously, this is a buisness forum, but if you can't have fun in business then why would anyone want to join? I think the few goof off forum areas are a great aspect to this forum. Now when the business and fun threads start to mix, I understand that, that is where it needs to be cut off.

Anyways, I am sure I'll be red reped for this lol. But this is MHO.

[Maz]

The forum as a whole is fine. The staff are fine - OK maybe they've made a couple of mistakes or whatever but they do their job.

The problem is the attitudes of a lot of the people here. The superiority some people feel they have over others is appalling. I had no idea this was an elitist forum. I was under the impression this was a place for people to buy and sell content, to discuss Myspace and the like for business purposes. Not that it was a place to discriminate against others because they're young, because they don't have a well-established site or because they happen to be a member of other forums.

The "KVille" issue is childish. This place is mentioned less than ten times over here, and all but one of those times is people discussing why members here are so negative about it. But it's mentioned a lot here, it's like an unhealthy obsession.
the reason why so many members from here are also members there is because it's the biggest and most popular forum of its type. It's a forum for young graphic makers and graphic/web designers, of course some people from there will be interested in this place.
I've seen other forums slagged off here too, it's not just KVille. The members of this forum slag off other forums more than any other place I've been to. People need to let go of their personal dislike of other sites, site owners and boards and concentrate on this place. Nobody's interested in other boards unless it's something related to the topic in hand, and most of the time it isn't.

There's hardly any community spirit here. Hardly anyone wants to see others do well, help others out or be positive about others and their work. People don't want to leave their site URL for fear it will be torn apart by a bunch of rottweilers, waiting to pounce on anything they can get their claws into to make themselves feel better.

People ***** about others because they're young and think they're "immature" yet they're happy to buy graphics off them for peanuts. The teens and pre-teens are being criticised for trying to make money for themselves rather than encouraged to start early and doing something positive with their time.

This is supposed to be a business forum but everything's too personal.

[ashbernie311]

The forum as a whole is fine. The staff are fine - OK maybe they've made a couple of mistakes or whatever but they do their job.

The problem is the attitudes of a lot of the people here. The superiority some people feel they have over others is appalling. I had no idea this was an elitist forum. I was under the impression this was a place for people to buy and sell content, to discuss Myspace and the like for business purposes. Not that it was a place to discriminate against others because they're young, because they don't have a well-established site or because they happen to be a member of other forums.

The "KVille" issue is childish. This place is mentioned less than ten times over here, and all but one of those times is people discussing why members here are so negative about it. But it's mentioned a lot here, it's like an unhealthy obsession.
the reason why so many members from here are also members there is because it's the biggest and most popular forum of its type. It's a forum for young graphic makers and graphic/web designers, of course some people from there will be interested in this place.
I've seen other forums slagged off here too, it's not just KVille. The members of this forum slag off other forums more than any other place I've been to. People need to let go of their personal dislike of other sites, site owners and boards and concentrate on this place. Nobody's interested in other boards unless it's something related to the topic in hand, and most of the time it isn't.

There's hardly any community spirit here. Hardly anyone wants to see others do well, help others out or be positive about others and their work. People don't want to leave their site URL for fear it will be torn apart by a bunch of rottweilers, waiting to pounce on anything they can get their claws into to make themselves feel better.

People ***** about others because they're young and think they're "immature" yet they're happy to buy graphics off them for peanuts. The teens and pre-teens are being criticised for trying to make money for themselves rather than encouraged to start early and doing something positive with their time.

This is supposed to be a business forum but everything's too personal.

Amen.
This place needs to be more of a 'community', not an open flaming site. :(

[RexAngel]

People ***** about others because they're young and think they're "immature" yet they're happy to buy graphics off them for peanuts.

You took the words right outta my mouth Maz. I meant to say this in another post. I agree completely.

Anyways, I like the idea of having a "Store" thread since everytime I post a new MP thread, I always wanna mention my old sales. Nice suggestions.

[SlickEddie]

from all the griping I see, this place is turning into a bunch of little cliques

young adults vs teens
old msp members vs new msp members
mods vs members
established professionals vs newbies
msp vs kville