Get Your Own Content!!

[Precious]

I think i'm done selling my graphics.

In the past week, I have found 6 sites that I have my layouts on there without my permission. Meaning they did NOT pay for them, or ask for any type of permission!!

When asked to remove them, they refuse. This is seriously pathetic.

Oh and then one is telling me "its a search engine" - It sure as hell don't look like a search engine to me. And funny thing is -- out of all the layouts on the internet atleast a good 50-100 of them are mine. All from the SAME PACK of layouts I sold. Funny?

Wtf is up with people these days? What gets me is it's the people who are raking in the dough. This is what I do to support my family. Every penny counts. And these people ranking in the dough over here, just come and snatch it up liek its nothing.


RAWR. I'm sick of this. I mean, if you could ATLEAST ask me, maybe i'd be ok with it.


No credit.
No permission.
No payment.
I'm sick of it.

[Edwin]

Wow thats crazy. You should post there links here so people can know.

[Assailant]

Wow thats crazy. You should post there links here so people can know.

I dont think thats a good idea, yes there are some people who steal content and know they are stealing content. However there really are people who buy content and doesnt know it was stolen. It wouldnt be fair to start accusing people of such and such without them being around to clear themselves.

Precious: btw, how many total layouts do you have around the internet? Maybe you can make some money off it by going to these people and asking them for a payment.

[bensark]

name and shame

[Edwin]

Yea thats true ahh scratch that off

I dont think thats a good idea, yes there are some people who steal content and know they are stealing content. However there really are people who buy content and doesnt know it was stolen. It wouldnt be fair to start accusing people of such and such without them being around to clear themselves.

[Dale]

Holy crap Angiie, who is doing this. It's so wrong of them :no:

[bensark]

but if they have been notified its stolen they should reveal who they bought it from and remove it

[Precious]

I dont think thats a good idea, yes there are some people who steal content and know they are stealing content. However there really are people who buy content and doesnt know it was stolen. It wouldnt be fair to start accusing people of such and such without them being around to clear themselves.

Precious: btw, how many total layouts do you have around the internet? Maybe you can make some money off it by going to these people and asking them for a payment.

Around 500.
And I've contacted them informing them they are stolen and to either remove or pay for them, but they refuse.

[hotmonkee]

i bought packs of tagged stuff as mentioned in another thread, not knowing it was tagged. i've probably got unauthorized stuff on my site too (not tagged). if i were asked to remove something, and i know i didnt purchase from the original creator, and i didnt make it. i would remove it and just make my own. its better than going through legal stuff.

and it happened with jess too, her glitter drinks were being sold/stolen. however, that was a lesson learned.

[Assailant]

500 is a lot of layouts. what do you charge for the full load?

[minnseoelite]

I think the other designers here might want to know so they can check the site for their content as well.

[zooped]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnuXts5J_6w

lol.. it just reminded me of this song

[Dale]

Around 500.
And I've contacted them informing them they are stolen and to either remove or pay for them, but they refuse.

Wtf? How rude of them. I guess they don't know what it's like being a designer.

[hotmonkee]

since we are on the topic...i know we need to protect our images. but i KNOW large site owners...or even just site owners in general go around and steal stuff that isnt tagged. its been going on forever, and willl continue. but those people are low.....im completely sick of it too and i am investigating unauthorized selling of my packs as well. god, hire a freaking designer and get your own crap.

all my stuff is gonna be tagged, and all my sales required tagging as well.

[Precious]

I know of atleast 2 other designers on here whose content was stolen by one of the sites -- who turns out to have close to 300 of my layouts.

I contacted one of them, and will contact the other in the morning.

[hotmonkee]

yeah, i would like some links if you could.....i wanna check my stuff as well.

[Dale]

since we are on the topic...i know we need to protect our images. but i KNOW large site owners...or even just site owners in general go around and steal stuff that isnt tagged. its been going on forever, and willl continue. but those people are low.....im completely sick of it too and i am investigating unauthorized selling of my packs as well. god, hire a freaking designer and get your own crap.

all my stuff is gonna be tagged, and all my sales required tagging as well.

btw tina, im almost done with your tagging :) ;)

[bensark]

name them so we can all avoid them for link exchanges etc...

lets create a blacklist of sites to avoid

[Precious]

I will wait until I talk to Greg before I expose the sites, except those two that I KNOW have content on there.

[Assailant]

how much for the complete set? 500? maybe you should try and focus a little more on making money than going after thieves, theres pretty much nothing you can do...we all are a victim of it in some way. at least people arent reselling your layouts on these forums.

[Precious]

how much for the complete set? 500? maybe you should try and focus a little more on making money than going after thieves, theres pretty much nothing you can do...we all are a victim of it in some way. at least people arent reselling your layouts on these forums.
I've asked him to pay for them, and he refuses. :-/

[Assailant]

ok i wont ask again for a price. goodluck tracking down the thieves.

[Precious]

ok i wont ask again for a price. goodluck tracking down the thieves.

The reason I never answered on your question for a price, because i have yet to sell a pack of all my layouts so i've never thought about it. It would be discussed.

[Dale]

man, it sucks how people sink so low as to stealing someone else's layouts. it reminds me of that *cantsayhisname* guy who stole everyone's glitters and put them on his site, with his tag over them.

[Precious]

Ugh, i'm so pissed right now.
I talked to one of the other users who content was stolen too, and she's pretty pissed. It's bull****. And you won't believe who it is :(

[dumb-diddy-doo]

how much for the complete set? 500? maybe you should try and focus a little more on making money than going after thieves, theres pretty much nothing you can do...we all are a victim of it in some way. at least people arent reselling your layouts on these forums.

Does no one here keep an attorney on retainer? :whackit:

[hotmonkee]

Sorry Angiie. I know it sucks that it happened. And I know a couple other things going on in this forum regarding other members are part of scams as well and I'm getting pretty freaking pissed that they are still around. And when some things play out, I hope they are outted for what they did.

[hotmonkee]

Does no one here keep an attorney on retainer? :whackit:

i cant afford one. or afford to think about getting one. but i learned my lesson and have been trying to protect my images.

[Dale]

Ugh, i'm so pissed right now.
I talked to one of the other users who content was stolen too, and she's pretty pissed. It's bull****. And you won't believe who it is

Who is it. We're all dying to know, that's why there's 8 people viewing ;) im jk. you dont have to tell us if you guys dont want to

[Precious]

i cant afford one. or afford to think about getting one. but i learned my lesson and have been trying to protect my images. Exactly. I just posted saying the graphics I make is what I use to pay my bills. :-/ If I made big money on here like most of the people who are stealing my graphics - I sure as hell would have one.

I don't think words can describe how pissed I am right now.
And Tina, I do 100% in all honesty, prey that you find out what happened to yours.

[Scilynt]

I personally think that they should be posted in the public. At the very least everyone should know who the scum are and be able to avoid them easier.

Of course only after you tried contacting them and they flat out tell you to f off.

Yeah, they might claim that all the images, brushes and such that are used for your work is copyrighted so they have just as much right to use it but that is bull and a lame excuse. Does that mean that if they downloaded mp3s illegally that I can break into their house to steal their burned cds?


My vote is to list them once you know they know they are using stolen work and they refuse to remove it.


This is part of the reason I only buy layouts here lol. At least I know if someone was trying to sell me stolen work the real designer would probably see it.

[Selena]

I'm pretty damn pissed myself. I see my layouts on there as well and to be quite frank, if this isn't handled correctly, you can forget my support ever being given on this forum. To see things like this tolerated on these forums when I was here from the beginning, when almost NOTHING was tolerated, and what was right always prevailed.

If people can get away with screwing people over and CONTINUE screwing people over, it just shows where the priorities of this forum lie. I won't allow myself to be ****ed over, and its not something I take lightly. They can have my damn layouts, I have NO problem with letting them use them, if they'd ask me for permission instead of being lowdown selfish dicks who don't care about others. Business my **** its called being selfish and idiotic. This better be handled, and thats all I have to say. If I was still a mod, lets just say the person who stole the layouts WOULDN'T still be here.

[Dale]

Well, instead of a attorney, why don't we get all of MSP together and go after the people doing this? Seriously though. If everyone here on MSP got together and worked together to find some kind of solution for this BS, maybe we could somehow stop the theft of our stuff?

[dumb-diddy-doo]

1500.00 - 2500.00 really is not a lot of money when you think about what it will save you in the long run. And that amount will last you a long time. You could have an attorney respresenting you for as long as a year or longer on that amount.

And if the services are never needed, you get this money back.

[Alex!]

the question we all want the answer to! Out them! who is this person!?

[Dale]

I personally think that they should be posted in the public. At the very least everyone should know who the scum are and be able to avoid them easier.

I agree, and if we were link exchanging, advertising, etc on their site, we could stop. It just makes things easier. Plus Angiie, if they didn't take the stuff off, you have the 100% right to give out their names.

[Precious]

1500.00 - 2500.00 really is not a lot of money when you think about what it will save you in the long run. And that amount will last you a long time. You could have an attorney respresenting you for as long as a year or longer on that amount.

And if the services are never needed, you get this money back.
I barely have enough for rent, let alone $1500 for an attorny. I wish though as I know it would be more helpful in the long run :-/

[dumb-diddy-doo]

Well, instead of a attorney, why don't we get all of MSP together and go after the people doing this? Seriously though. If everyone here on MSP got together and worked together to find some kind of solution for this BS, maybe we could somehow stop the theft of our stuff?

But that would require that she exposes them. And thus far she has said that she wants to wait to do that.

[Dale]

But that would require that she exposes them. And thus far she has said that she wants to wait to do that.

I know, I mean once she's ready to expose them. Like I said, she's entitled to exposing them after contacting the people that did it, and then they don't remove the stuff. But yeah, wait till you're ready Angiie, and once you have permission from Greg and all :)

[Selena]

Who wants to bet that after she exposes him, nothing is done?

[Alex!]

perhaps another thing she could do if the person doesnt want to get rid of it is make it public? it then loses its value and will get removed

[Dale]

Who wants to bet that after she exposes him, nothing is done?

Actually, you're kinda right there. I've seen someone else exposed on here before and nothing was done. The person just kinda left MSP after they realized they were exposed, and they continue to steal glitters today. :\

[dumb-diddy-doo]

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l286/precious0723/THUMBS/thumb-21.jpg
see this profile image that you use on your layout previews?
do you own this image????
just curious to know????
seen this image on a girls myspace video????
but yeah stolen content is not good, but user submittied content suck...most myspace resource sites all have stolen content, patterns and a bunch of other things,when people make a gucci layout using the gucci pater this is in fact a copy right breach.
media release images may be ok but most sites have some stolen or non copy right stuff on them..

As much as you might have made a good point, let me make one that I believe is even better.

Lets consider Walt Disney. People use disney images all the time. Do you think Walt Disney cares? NO! You know why? Its called label recognition / Free Advertisment. Walt Disney is not releasing any new winnie the poo movies, but they do still sell the old winnie the poo videos. Well guess what, when people have winnie the poo images and layouts, this is just a reminder, advertisement, reminder, and label recognition.

Stealing another sites stuff is one thing, but being a free advertising portal for companies such as gucci, good for them and us. =/

And if they didn't want you using it dont you think they would send you a real nasty letter asking you to remove it? I recieved a letter from Smiley Central once almost a year ago because I had their smileys on my site.

[Jordan]

Do you think Walt Disney cares? NO! You know why?
because he's been dead for 50 years der :)

but yeah this happens to me all the time, it really sucks, but yeah you cant do much about it cos a lot of them dont listen.

[dumb-diddy-doo]

Who wants to bet that after she exposes him, nothing is done?

I have to disagree also. There is strenth and power in numbers.

I believe that a site should be contacted and given the opportunity to make it right by either removing the offending items or by paying for them. But she has done that and they responded telling her they will not do remove the stuff or pay for it..

If people with good business ethnics band together, refusing to do business with those who work in an unethical manners, they will fall. Without the support of other sites with link exchanges, selling them content, etc. they will fall.

So with that said, I have to disagree.

[Dale]

As much as you might have made a good point, let me make one that I believe is even better.

Lets consider Walt Disney. People use disney images all the time. Do you think Walt Disney cares? NO! You know why? Its called label recognition / Free Advertisment. Walt Disney is not releasing any new winnie the poo movies, but they do still sell the old winnie the poo videos. Well guess what, when people have winnie the poo images and layouts, this is just a reminder, advertisement, reminder, and label recognition.

Stealing another sites stuff is one thing, but being a free advertising portal for companies such as gucci, good for them and us. =/

And if they didn't want you using it dont you think they would send you a real nasty letter asking you to remove it? I recieved a letter from Smiley Central once almost a year ago because I had their smileys on my site.

Exactly ;) People use pictures of celebrities like 50 Cent all the time, but I doubt he's contacted them saying "Please remove my picture from your site!" In a sense, it's free publicity for the person in the image.

[Precious]

Should 50 cent or walt disney contact me - i'd happily remove their images. I most certainly would not refuse to. (i'm agreeing with you dawn, just incase you misunderstand me lol)

And another thing, alot of my layouts were hand drawn is PSP... meaning they are not copyrighted to anyone but me - and he still refuses to remove them.

[Selena]

I have to disagree also. There is strenth and power in numbers.

I believe that a site should be contacted and given the opportunity to make it right by either removing the offending items or by paying for them. But she has done that and they responded telling her they will not do remove the stuff or pay for it..

If people with good business ethnics band together, refusing to do business with those who work in an unethical manners, they will fall. Without the support of other sites with link exchanges, selling them content, etc. they will fall.

So with that said, I have to disagree.

But by the way, this site never BOUGHT the content from my group buy, and somehow got the content from it. This site never paid for the layouts from Precious's group buys, but somehow MAGICALLY managed to get the layouts from it also. Whether they get link exchanges/advertising from the members here, if content is available for them to steal here, it will be stolen. And who says they need this community anyway. Theres always DP or SP.

[xo.Saz.xo]

Aww Angie, I'm really sorry to hear about that :(

[Dale]

Should 50 cent or walt disney contact me - i'd happily remove their images. I most certainly would not refuse to. (i'm agreeing with you dawn, just incase you misunderstand me lol)

And another thing, alot of my layouts were hand drawn is PSP... meaning they are not copyrighted to anyone but me - and he still refuses to remove them.

Yeah, actually, you are true Angiie. I forgot that you handdraw alot of your layouts. And you drew all those awesome scribbles. Anyway, if he refuses, tell him something like, "If you fail to remove my layouts, I will contact my lawyer" or something. My mom did something like this before with someone that did something to our car or something, and they paid us what we were owed. [She just gave him my aunt's name and said that was our lawyer]. When you drop the word "lawyer" or "sue", then they tend to listen to you more and you have a better chance of them removing the content.

Just my 2 cents. :)

[Dale]

But by the way, this site never BOUGHT the content from my group buy, and somehow got the content from it. This site never paid for the layouts from Precious's group buys, but somehow MAGICALLY managed to get the layouts from it also. Whether they get link exchanges/advertising from the members here, if content is available for them to steal here, it will be stolen. And who says they need this community anyway. Theres always DP or SP.

Omg. Are you serious? WTF! That's so wrong. Oh yeah, I forgot about DP, from what i hear, it's famous for this kind of crap. :\

[Precious]

Yeah, actually, you are true Angiie. I forgot that you handdraw alot of your layouts. And you drew all those awesome scribbles. Anyway, if he refuses, tell him something like, "If you fail to remove my layouts, I will contact my lawyer" or something. My mom did something like this before with someone that did something to our car or something, and they paid us what we were owed. [She just gave him my aunt's name and said that was our lawyer]. When you drop the word "lawyer" or "sue", then they tend to listen to you more and you have a better chance of them removing the content.

Just my 2 cents. :)
Yeah. He tried throwing the copyright crap in my face and saying he works for some artist label or something and I said well alot of my were hand drawn so they are copyright to me - he STILL refuses to remove them.

[Scilynt]

But by the way, this site never BOUGHT the content from my group buy, and somehow got the content from it. This site never paid for the layouts from Precious's group buys, but somehow MAGICALLY managed to get the layouts from it also. Whether they get link exchanges/advertising from the members here, if content is available for them to steal here, it will be stolen. And who says they need this community anyway. Theres always DP or SP.

That also shows there may be at least 2 aholes in this sittuation. The site that uses the stolen content after knowing it is stolen and possibly the person that was part of that group buy and gave or sold it to the site. Of course it may have just been taken from other sites but hard to say.

If the site owner has a right to use the content either buy buying it or buying a site that had it then that is fine and he shouldn't have an issue. But in this case it sounds like he doesn't have the right and knows it but just laughs about getting away with it. I have a problem with that on many different levels. I would personally like to be part of a community that doesn't welcome scammers once they are found out or once they decide to start scamming (like George). If they are find being the aholes they are then let them do it elsewhere...at least in my opinion if that mattered.

[Alex!]

who is itttttt!!

[Dale]

I think I'm done arguing in this thread, alot of great opinions. But back to work.

[dumb-diddy-doo]

Should 50 cent or walt disney contact me - i'd happily remove their images. I most certainly would not refuse to. (i'm agreeing with you dawn, just incase you misunderstand me lol)

And another thing, alot of my layouts were hand drawn is PSP... meaning they are not copyrighted to anyone but me - and he still refuses to remove them.

I had to kind of laugh about this. (not that its funny)

I recieved a letter once (over a year ago) from Smiley Central because I had a huge amount of thier smiley's on my site available for users to use. I didnt get the smileys from their site, they were already available everywhere. But you better bet, when they asked me to remove them, I did exactly that.

[Dale]

who is itttttt!!

Angiie can't release it yet. She's trying to get the person to remove the content still and all, plus I think she has to contact Greg, the owner.

[Selena]

That also shows there may be at least 2 aholes in this sittuation. The site that uses the stolen content after knowing it is stolen and possibly the person that was part of that group buy and gave or sold it to the site. Of course it may have just been taken from other sites but hard to say.

If the site owner has a right to use the content either buy buying it or buying a site that had it then that is fine and he shouldn't have an issue. But in this case it sounds like he doesn't have the right and knows it but just laughs about getting away with it. I have a problem with that on many different levels. I would personally like to be part of a community that doesn't welcome scammers once they are found out or once they decide to start scamming (like George). If they are find being the aholes they are then let them do it elsewhere...at least in my opinion if that mattered.

Completely agreed. If they are found scamming people, and screwing people over, let them screw people over somewhere else, but its not a good image for the forum, and an even WORSE image for myeeos to be filled with a community that doesn't remove the scammers and idiotic stealing *****es from the forum when they are found.

[Scilynt]

is this some kind of a joke?

big companies do care, if steal their logos and patterns for your layouts you can and will be sued.

They just dont have time to run around sueing people.

If a pattern or logo is TRADEMARKED and you go ahead and make some layouts using a companies pattern that is trade marked and make profit from it, they have the right to sue you, but will they sue you? its a risk people take.So you are saying that you wouldn't mind if I went to all the sites in your sig, copied the content (since some of it is trademarked or copyrighted by other people) and put all that on my own domains you wouldn't have a problem with it? If not let me know as that would save me a ton of time getting content for new sites :).

[Dale]

Okay, before this turns into a huge fight, just realize this is opinions. Different people have different ways of doing/handling things. Like with the people wanting Angiie to release names, some people would automatically give the names out, but Angiie is waiting. It's different ways of handling things.

[Dale]

So you are saying that you wouldn't mind if I went to all the sites in your sig, copied the content (since some of it is trademarked or copyrighted by other people) and put all that on my own domains you wouldn't have a problem with it? If not let me know as that would save me a ton of time getting content for new sites

ROFL That made me laugh, Scilynt.

[Selena]

Okay, before this turns into a huge fight

Too late for that. I'm pissed off now.

[Dale]

Completely agreed. If they are found scamming people, and screwing people over, let them screw people over somewhere else, but its not a good image for the forum, and an even WORSE image for myeeos to be filled with a community that doesn't remove the scammers and idiotic stealing *****es from the forum when they are found.

Exactly. MSP isn't a place to get screwed over by people, etc. Yeah, we don't want people automatically assuming that MyEeos is going to be a bad place. Because it wont. It's just the losers out there that like scamming/screwing people over. They're everyone.

[Precious]

So you are saying that you wouldn't mind if I went to all the sites in your sig, copied the content (since some of it is trademarked or copyrighted by other people) and put all that on my own domains you wouldn't have a problem with it? If not let me know as that would save me a ton of time getting content for new sites :).

Save you alot of time, and money from buying it. Eh? I seriously am getting really pissed at connections posts over here acting like he/she is a saint.
As for the preview picture.
1. I never claimed it to be mine.
2. I am not selling nor redistributing it.
3. I bought that profile from a user here, for the purpose of coding my layouts - and that purpose only. There has not been any bullitens sent from it, not any comments made from it, etc.

[Dale]

Too late for that. I'm pissed off now.

Yeah, I kinda am too now. I hate to think that people are actually siding with the thiefs :\

[dumb-diddy-doo]

is this some kind of a joke?
big companies do care, if steal their logos and patterns for your layouts you can and will be sued.
They just dont have time to run around sueing people.
If a pattern or logo is TRADEMARKED and you go ahead and make some layouts using a companies pattern that is trade marked and make profit from it, they have the right to sue you, but will they sue you? its a risk people take.

There is not a lawyer for any company in the world that would not first send a demand letter requesting that you remove the offending content. If they really want it removed then you will get one of these letters.

But to think they are out there looking to jump into court over it is silly. No judge would even hear a case whereas the site was not first given the oppotunity to correct the issue.

But I do believe that some of these business can see how this is a positive thing since it is without a doubt free advertising, and helps in label recognition.

No one is saying they cant and wont contact you.

[Dale]

As for the preview picture.
1. I never claimed it to be mine.
2. I am not selling nor redistributing it.
3. I bought that profile from a user here, for the purpose of coding my layouts - and that purpose only. There has not been any bullitens sent from it, not any comments made from it, etc.

Exactly, you have done nothing wrong. You are not claiming to be the model or anything. Okay, what about all the fakes on MySpace that have a picture of Paris Hilton, for instance, and say "Hey, I'm Paris Hilton", etc. etc. That's illegal, but using a picture in a preview isn't really. Noone has the link to the MySpace profile or anything, alls they get to see is the picture in the preview, that's all

[Dale]

There is not a lawyer for any company in the world that would not first send a demand letter requesting that you remove the offending content. If they really want it removed then you will get one of these letters.

But to think they are out there looking to jump into court over it is silly. No judge would even hear a case whereas the site was not first given the oppotunity to correct the issue.

But I do believe that some of these business can see how this is a positive thing since it is without a doubt free advertising, and helps in label recognition.

No one is saying they cant and wont contact you.


True, very true. It's like MySpace, if someone has the word "myspace" in their domain name, and MySpace doesn't want that site up anymore, they contact the site requesting it be taken down. MySpace doesn't drop a big lawsuit without first requesting the site be taken down, seriously.

My god, this thread is getting kind of fun

[Jordan]

Because I am 99% sure I have seen it on a myspace video from this user, who does model work.
Just to let you know, that picture is absolutely everywhere. It was used by spammers a few months ago as a fake youtube video so people clicked the picture hoping to get to a video of some hot chick bouncin around but they probably got taken to a fake login page or something.

[Selena]

Its ALLWAYS better to ask questions first, negotiate with the parties.

Yeah and when the person practically admits to taking the content, and basically tells you that you're a "joke", thats all the questions you have to ask and then they've just turned into a big asshole who just feels like being a ****.

[dumb-diddy-doo]

this is turning into a ****fight,
I just asked one question about a image from layout previews???
And also just made a point about people using patterns and logos in layouts, becuase I see it alot...ive seen alot of court cases where people get sued for this.
Sure I don't like seeing stuff been ripped thats why I look for media release stuff...
But some times people sell you content or you acquire content thats media release and it may actually not be.
Its ALLWAYS better to ask questions first, negotiate with the parties.
Personally look at some of the top myspace sites their full off stolen content.

And she has told you and others that she did contact the sites first, but they told her to go and get f**ked.

But to pretend that a buyer has not responsibility in know where the stuff they bought comes from is kind of silly. If the police walk into your house and you have a stolen TV, you are going to jail for "recieving stolen property".

[Precious]

And she has told you and others that she did contact the sites first, but they told her to go and get f**ked.

But to pretend that a buyer has not responsibility in know where the stuff they bought comes from is kind of silly. If the police walk into your house and you have a stolen TV, you are going to jail for "recieving stolen property".

Ehhh, Some people just don't get it. :-/ No use in trying to explain it to her, lol. Thanks though, Dawn.

[Dale]

I wouldn't necassarily call this a "fight". More of an arguement of people's opinions.

[Selena]

I wouldn't necassarily call this a "fight". More of an arguement of people's opinions.

Nope. I'm ready to punch *****es.

[Precious]

Eh I don't call this a fight.
I call this me expressing my opinion in the vent forum, which I have the right to.

And then a few others tossing their's in. Which they have a right to, as well.

That's it. A thread of expressed opinions.

[Assailant]

Precious...so you're saying this particular site took your layout graphics and your code and hosted it on their own site claiming they have rights to the layout, along with putting their own link in the code and removing yours? If thats the case...it would just re enforce what someone said earlier about watermarking being a must

[Dale]

Eh I don't call this a fight.
I call this me expressing my opinion in the vent forum, which I have the right to.

And then a few others tossing their's in. Which they have a right to, as well.

That's it. A thread of expressed opinions.

Yes, exactly. It would be a fight if we were all throwing punches and throwing in some bad words. But we are simply stating how we feel about people stealing graphics.

[Dale]

Precious...so you're saying this particular site took your layout graphics and your code and hosted it on their own site claiming they have rights to the layout, along with putting their own link in the code and removing yours?

She said they totally took all the layouts, and are claiming to completely own them, when they haven't paid her a single penny. And are not removing them at her request.

[Assailant]

She said they totally took all the layouts, and are claiming to completely own them, when they haven't paid her a single penny. And are not removing them at her request.

sorry i missed that part...i fell asleep between pages 3 and 8 and woke up to see this is still the hot topic.

[Dale]

sorry i missed that part...i fell asleep between pages 3 and 8 and woke up to see this is still the hot topic.

ROFL it's okay.

Well, I think I'll get back to work now since I never really left the thread ROFL Hope everything works out good, Angiie.

[Precious]

She said they totally took all the layouts, and are claiming to completely own them, when they haven't paid her a single penny. And are not removing them at her request.

That's not true. I did not say that...
I said they took my layouts.
At this point, it looks like they are direct linking from other sites... I've contacted these site owners to find out if they are product owners and if so, to make them aware of these people direct-linking.

Now, there are ALOT of layouts, so I didn't get to look at all the codes yet to see if they are direct linking from a bunch of sites, or just a couple. I didn't get to see if they are direct linking or not, after about page 5 I got tired of searching and was too pissed to do anymore investigating. I'm sure i'll be back tomorrow to finish.

I do know My layouts are being displayed and distributed without permission. That's what I care bout right now.

[Dale]

That's not true. I did not say that...
I said they took my layouts.


Lmao. i didnt mean you said that, i tend to drop the "she said", "he said" term alot, but what i mean is they meant. and what i meant is they were stealing the whole layout.

[Assailant]

just make a rap song about it. Just say someone shot you 10 times and stole all your layouts but you still survived.

Call it "Sucka stole my Layouts" off your album "Make Layouts or die designing" sorry my jokes such at 6:45 am

[Precious]

dude but the thing is she don't own the image and she is using it on her site,

isnt that what this whole threads about?

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2221/sexyus0.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l286/precious0723/THUMBS/thumb-21.jpg

see what I mean???

LMAO!!!! After Scilynt called you out about the links in your signature, you removed them. One of them linked to (link removed) - one of your sites. Are you trying to tell me you personally took all those pictures, and have the right to have them on your site?

You are something else. Everytime I turn around you are always on the bad guys side, and it really makes me wonder. Every time. No matter who the bad guy is, there you are rolling out the red carpet for them.

[Selena]

just make a rap song about it. Just say someone shot you 10 times and stole all your layouts but you still survived.

Call it "Sucka stole my Layouts" off your album "Make Layouts or die designing" sorry my jokes such at 6:45 am

I'm gunna write that rap right now.

[Scilynt]

Now I'm really pissed. I tried to watch that video and it's just an image. You are evil connections! jk ;). Though I admit you taking your links out and not replying to my question amusing. Hey, I like to play devils advocate from time to time as well but don't be silly ;).

[Precious]

is this thread about myspace resource site content,

or is it about content on the internet in general..

come on now.... Exactly. You are bringing up a MYSPACE PROFILE that I have already explained as to what is going on with.

This thread was about stealing content not about MYSPACE PROFILEs. You brought it upon yourself :)

Edit.
Scilynt, you are just killing me tonight. ROFL.

[Assailant]

Exactly. You are bringing up a MYSPACE PROFILE that I have already explained as to what is going on with.

This thread was about stealing content not about MYSPACE PROFILEs. You brought it upon yourself :)

Edit.
Scilynt, you are just killing me tonight. ROFL.

damn you two..just have sex already and get it over with.

[Dale]

LMAO!!!! After Scilynt called you out about the links in your signature, you removed them. One of them linked to http://www.hollymadison.us/ -- one of your sites. Are you trying to tell me you personally took all those pictures, and have the right to have them on your site?

You are something else. Everytime I turn around you are always on the bad guys side, and it really makes me wonder. Every time. No matter who the bad guy is, there you are rolling out the red carpet for them.

ROFL . That's too funny, Angiie! Haha! Well, that's what you mods are here for, to stop the bad guys. Haha, you guys are the Super Mods ;)

[Dale]

just make a rap song about it. Just say someone shot you 10 times and stole all your layouts but you still survived.

Call it "Sucka stole my Layouts" off your album "Make Layouts or die designing" sorry my jokes such at 6:45 am

ROFL Too funny, haha, I almost fell out of my chair from laughing.

damn you two..just have sex already and get it over with.

OMG ROFL. Lmao

[Scilynt]

ROFL . That's too funny, Angiie! Haha! Well, that's what you mods are here for, to stop the bad guys. Haha, you guys are the Super Mods ;)Well we are supposed to be here to lock threads like this and cool people down but this is the "vent" forum and this is a touchy subject that is kind of important to our community. But it's also nice to have fun and step back a bit even from things that really piss you off ;).

[Dale]

So we go from talking about stolen content, to making rap songs. You guys are seriously too funny ROFL

[treacle]

Tag everything - that's my motto

[Precious]

So we go from talking about stolen content, to making rap songs. You guys are seriously too funny ROFL While that was mentioned, we never steared away from stolen content. And if the thread gets too far off stolen content, I will begin to delete un-related posts as that's what this thread is for.

[Dale]

Well we are supposed to be here to lock threads like this and cool people down but this is the "vent" forum and this is a touchy subject that is kind of important to our community. But it's also nice to have fun and step back a bit even from things that really piss you off

Lmao, you guys are probably sitting there stuffing your face with popcorn ROFL jk jk. You guys do work hard, and I appreciate that. Yeah, it is kind of a serious subject, but sometimes, serious subjects turn funny ROFL . ;)

[Dale]

Tag everything - that's my motto

Mine too, although I spend 99.9% of my time tagging for other people so their stuff doesn't get stolen.

While that was mentioned, we never steared away from stolen content. And if the thread gets too far off stolen content, I will begin to delete un-related posts as that's what this thread is for.

I was kidding :P Sorry. I was just trying to cool down the arguement some, but it looks like the good guys won.

[Scilynt]

So we go from talking about stolen content, to making rap songs. You guys are seriously too funny ROFLNo you are confused. We went from stolen content to stealing songs and "sampling" them in our new songs heheh.

[Selena]

I wrote the rap. I hope you guys didn't think I was joking.
www.myspace-lyts.com/suckastolemylayout.wav

I sound like dike, but I was trying to bust out my ghetto voice. I clearly failed but i like my lyrics.

But back to the point, I'M STILL REALLY PISSED.

[Dale]

No you are confused. We went from stolen content to stealing songs and "sampling" them in our new songs heheh.

Lmao, I know. I was joking. Haha. Okay, let's get back to the stolen content

[ i really don't think i have anything left to say until someone else posts ]

[Dale]

I wrote the rap. I hope you guys didn't think I was joking.
www.myspace-lyts.com/suckastolemylayout.wav

I sound like dike, but I was trying to bust out my ghetto voice. I clearly failed but i like my lyrics.

Holy crap, Selena ROFL That's too funny.

[Scilynt]

I wrote the rap. I hope you guys didn't think I was joking.
www.myspace-lyts.com/suckastolemylayout.wav (http://www.myspace-lyts.com/suckastolemylayout.wav)

I sound like dike, but I was trying to bust out my ghetto voice. I clearly failed but i like my lyrics.

But back to the point, I'M STILL REALLY PISSED.lmao ROFL. Selena, I am really sorry for laughing when you might have been trying to be really serious but I have the toughest time picturing you really pissed off. I picture it like an old girlfriend I had that just looked so cute when she got mad and she got even more pissed when I smiled because of it. But it was so hard to keep a straight face when I just wanted to pinch her crunched up cheeks and "mean" brows lol.

[Precious]

I wrote the rap. I hope you guys didn't think I was joking.
www.myspace-lyts.com/suckastolemylayout.wav (http://www.myspace-lyts.com/suckastolemylayout.wav)

I sound like dike, but I was trying to bust out my ghetto voice. I clearly failed but i like my lyrics.

But back to the point, I'M STILL REALLY PISSED.
You are too freaking funny.

[Assailant]

I wrote the rap. I hope you guys didn't think I was joking.
www.myspace-lyts.com/suckastolemylayout.wav

I sound like dike, but I was trying to bust out my ghetto voice. I clearly failed but i like my lyrics.

But back to the point, I'M STILL REALLY PISSED.


Did you get permission from Young Joc to remix his song like that? Damnit..you people never stop stealing do you.

[Selena]

Did you get permission from Young Joc to remix his song like that? Damnit..you people never stop stealing do you.

You do NOT want to hear my try to come up with my own beat.

[Precious]

It's 7:15am. I havn't slept in well over 36 hours. I need to sleep, But I can't because I need to know how this will be handled in the end.

[Assailant]

You do NOT want to hear my try to come up with my own beat.

please remove it from your site. you dont have rights damnit...THE RIGHTS!!! what about the rights.

[PGZ]

If the person that has the Layouts and they refuse to remove them and they are a member here they should be BANNED and the IP BANNED.

We as a Community shouldnt put up with this. I personally have been contacted before cause of content I bought in a pack that was stolen. I have either paid the owner for said content or just removed it.

Its wrong and shouldnt be done especially to each other HERE..

[Dale]

You do NOT want to hear my try to come up with my own beat.

We didnt even want to hear you rap in the first place. Gosh. Haha, jk. It was pretty good/funny.

It's 7:15am. I havn't slept in well over 36 hours. I need to sleep, But I can't because I need to know how this will be handled in the end.

Angiie, go to bed. We can try to come up with something while you're gone. Trust me, i just went a few days without sleep, and yesterday morning at around 9:30 or 10, i fell asleep and just woke up at around 3:30 am today. Almost 18 hours of sleep. It sucks. Haha. Plus, I may be going to the hospital today because I'm really sick with something. It just sucks :no:

GO TO BED ANGIIE!

[Dale]

If the person that has the Layouts and they refuse to remove them and they are a member here they should be BANNED and the IP BANNED.

We as a Community shouldnt put up with this. I personally have been contacted before cause of content I bought in a pack that was stolen. I have either paid the owner for said content or just removed it.

Its wrong and shouldnt be done especially to each other HERE..

Exactly how I am feeling. We don't want to give people the wrong idea of MSP. This place is great, and we don't want to have a bad rep.

[PGZ]

It's 7:15am. I havn't slept in well over 36 hours. I need to sleep, But I can't because I need to know how this will be handled in the end.

Greg is on the West coast so its only 4:30 am there so it will be hrs before he ever sees this.

[Scilynt]

If the person that has the Layouts and they refuse to remove them and they are a member here they should be BANNED and the IP BANNED.

We as a Community shouldnt put up with this. I personally have been contacted before cause of content I bought in a pack that was stolen. I have either paid the owner for said content or just removed it.

Its wrong and shouldnt be done especially to each other HERE..Completely agree. We don't need to go policing the internet or try to be saints but we definitely should look after and try to protect each other as a community. Even with the thousands of resource sites out there this is still a pretty small world and if the community stood up for each other it would make a difference.

Yeah there are sticky sittuations and gray areas but there are also completely obvious flaws in the ways some people treat others.

[Precious]

Well it's a quarter to 8 am here, and it's fathers day. So i'm going to jump in the shower, get ready for the day, and go spend the day with my father. I will try to keep on eye on this.

[Precious]

UH OH.
I noticed ANOTHER users' content on there. Time to hit the pm's again. :(

[zooped]

UH OH.
I noticed ANOTHER users' content on there. Time to hit the pm's again. :(


Hey Nancy Drew why don't you just go to bed

[Dale]

Hey Nancy Drew why don't you just go to bed

Exactly. You can handle it when you get back, like you said, it's father's day.

[hprofits]

Have you filed a DMCA complaint with their host?

Here's some info on how to write one up

http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2005/09/29/how-to-write-an-effective-dmca-notice/

I know this is how webmasters in the porn industry go about getting their stolen content removed from sites.

[YabbaDoo]

Stealing another sites stuff is one thing, but being a free advertising portal for companies such as gucci, good for them and us. =/


No, it's not always a good thing.
With BRANDS its all about the BRANDING. Branding involves promoting at a CERTAIN, SPECIFIC market, and with designer brands like Gucci, this is THE MOST IMPORTANT part of the process.
Do you know what happened to BURBERRY?
They were a high class brand, 'til chavs got hold of em and now the company is in ruins. A designer brand is now a chav-low-class-scum brand.

The internet and people like US are making it HARDER for companys to create and maintain a specific image because the "wrong class" of people are using them [and in myspace's case a myspace lyt is just a code anyone can take, unlike the brand which is priced in a way in which only a certain class of people can afford to aquire them]

I personally know of people who have been contacted by Disney.
And in fact, PLAYBOY hired lawyers and sent out thousands of DMCA's to Myspace Resource Sites for using the bunny image in glitter graphics.

Guys, sorry, but we aren't a good thing. We're Gucci's WORST NIGHTMARE.

[Selena]

No, it's not always a good thing.
With BRANDS its all about the BRANDING. Branding involves promoting at a CERTAIN, SPECIFIC market, and with designer brands like Gucci, this is THE MOST IMPORTANT part of the process.
Do you know what happened to BURBERRY?
They were a high class brand, 'til chavs got hold of em and now the company is in ruins. A designer brand is now a chav-low-class-scum brand.

The internet and people like US are making it HARDER for companys to create and maintain a specific image because the "wrong class" of people are using them [and in myspace's case a myspace lyt is just a code anyone can take, unlike the brand which is priced in a way in which only a certain class of people can afford to aquire them]

I personally know of people who have been contacted by Disney.
And in fact, PLAYBOY hired lawyers and sent out thousands of DMCA's to Myspace Resource Sites for using the bunny image in glitter graphics.

Guys, sorry, but we aren't a good thing. We're Gucci's WORST NIGHTMARE.

YAYYY *goes out to buy ugly scum chav stuff*
on another note, this is completely different from marketing some stupid designer brands. I could care less who the hell wears gucci or burberry. They're all the same to me anyway. Because I think they're all ugly scum crap. But thats aside from the point.

I know disney is especially protective of mickey mouse, like you can't make tshirts of him without permission or something, but for most other characters they honestly could care less. And if playboy wants to send out DMCA's thats their business. Maybe I only want my layouts branded to a certain market. I'm not fighting it anymore, just saying, Its not wrong of me to want to control where my layouts are displayed. I know they are displayed on myspace, layoutsnetwork, myspacegeek, and if I find another site with it, I should have the right to decide whether it can be displayed there or not, and that was the entire point of the argument.

[Dale]

We're Gucci's WORST NIGHTMARE.

Well I'm YOUR worst nightmare. ROFL jk jk.

If we must keep the fight going, I say someone punches someone.

[Dale]

I could care less who the hell wears gucci or burberry.

I can't even tell the difference between the 2 ROFLI guess because I'm not a crazy girl.

[Selena]

I can't even tell the difference between the 2 ROFLI guess because I'm not a crazy girl.

If I'm not mistaken, burberry's that tacky ugly brown plaid crap.
And gucci is just a bunch of random ugly stuff that's called designer just so it can cost a lot?

[YabbaDoo]

Ohhh, Selena...I wasn't connecting my points with anything else in this thread rofl
I didn't read the thread [TOO LONGGGG] I just skipped to the last page and saw that comment so thought I would comment on it. Dunno what's going on or what happened, when I get bored later I'll read it from page 1 rofl
But yeah, of course stealing is wrong, and of course you have every right and SHOULD want to protect your brand and where your stuff goes. But my point ws just to be careful what you put in your graphics. Avoid making designer brands layouts and stuff. They really don't like it.
Hey, if you wanna find out the kinda people who like their brands being used head over to myspace/bebo etc and look trough all the people who have done deals with them, partenered with them "sponsored profiles etc" and that gives you a general idea. generally, an "everyone" type brand, movies, TV, music ETC LOVE the free promotion through MSRS sites :D

[Dale]

If I'm not mistaken, burberry's that tacky ugly brown plaid crap.
And gucci is just a bunch of random ugly stuff that's called designer just so it can cost a lot?

ROFL Most "designer" crap is tacky and stupid. I'm more of an Abercrombie & Fitch / Hollister kind of guy :P

[LinkPromo]

Now I'm really pissed. I tried to watch that video and it's just an image. You are evil connections! jk ;). Though I admit you taking your links out and not replying to my question amusing. Hey, I like to play devils advocate from time to time as well but don't be silly ;).

It's a brilliant way to get a great CTR.

[Selena]

ROFL Most "designer" crap is tacky and stupid. I'm more of an Abercrombie & Fitch / Hollister kind of guy :P

And AE, can't forget AE!!

[Dale]

And AE, can't forget AE!!

Oh yeah!!!

[letoutpuissant]

All of this theft is insane. Honestly it's good that you've found these things out. It's crazy because some people may not have even known that their content was stolen while others are blatantly using it. Definitely a confusing topic. I hope you can get it all figured out :)

[Connections]

It's a brilliant way to get a great CTR.


dont you tihnk people have been using it for the last 12 months on myspace but..

its over used..

peopel were doing it this time last year....

[laars]

And AE, can't forget AE!!

DUH, Dale! You freak, how could you forget AE? I was in there yesterday...

[that was really off topic :P]

[Dale]

DUH, Dale! You freak, how could you forget AE? I was in there yesterday...


I haven't bought AE in awhile. ROFL Tagging, etc. usually makes me the $$ to go shopping, but lately I've been saving it up. Jeeze, I need to kick this into high gear and make some serious $$.

[ssfriendship]

Sorry to break up the sob fest, but **** like this happens. Instead of starting a long thread that's likely to not solve a thing, how about getting back to work to make up for the lost $? In the time it took you to fill 13 pages with drama (I didn't see the offending sites listed, just back and forth.. back and forth), you could have made a lot of layouts, glitters, or whatever.

Tar and feather me now, but it's true, isn't it?

[hotmonkee]

wow, i cant keep up. and some of the comments, like the one who said to get back to work, obviously doesnt know how it feels to create something you're proud of and then see someone walk all over you. and have to sit here and take crap from all the people who DON'T understand.

its comments like that that make me realize that nothing will ever be done. about anything. its a dog eat dog world and i had a lot of respect for people in this forum, but after seeing bogus contests and scammers, and the people running those are still on here, after it being brought up in private to get resolved with mods/admins....and still nothing is done, then why would people want to stick around?

[Dale]

wow, i cant keep up. and some of the comments, like the one who said to get back to work, obviously doesnt know how it feels to create something you're proud of and then see someone walk all over you. and have to sit here and take crap from all the people who DON'T understand.

its comments like that that make me realize that nothing will ever be done. about anything. its a dog eat dog world and i had a lot of respect for people in this forum, but after seeing bogus contests and scammers, and the people running those are still on here, after it being brought up in private to get resolved with mods/admins....and still nothing is done, then why would people want to stick around?

Exactly. People are constantly cheating people out of money, graphics, etc. Not many people have respect for others on here either. Like I said, someone sent me a pager saying some nasty crap about me. But w/e :\

[George]

A lot of this wouldn't be happening if designers didn't stop tagging their layouts. As a designer you should demand the layouts you sell be tagged before you deliver them.

Not only that but if people steal the tagged layouts you could then get the site owners like myself who actually have legal counsel on retainer to help you go after them because it would then be obvious that they got it from our sites.

Instead in the interests of a fast buck by mass producing content you can sell over and over again you decided to not tag and now your content is out there in the wild.

If you have a problem tagging because of what you get paid per layout then charge more! If your layouts aren't good enough to charge more then maybe you should consider doing something else and letting the people that can make good layouts do it.... Maybe stop labeling all your sale threads "HQ" while you're at it. (NOT saying that to anyone in particular it's a general trend that seems to be going around).

Not saying "it's your own fault" or anything. Sucks your content got stolen. Just pointing out how you could avoid it in the future.

[hotmonkee]

i dont do layouts. i only send out untagged packs to people I KNOW will tag them.

[Ad disengaged]

This sucks. A lot of people work hard creating layouts & graphics and then selling them. Not fair when people rip them off. And then what happens? Nothing? Thats unacceptable.

[Ajay]

suggest everyone read up on copyright laws pertaining to derivative works. Here is one url http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ14.html. It sucks when content is stolen but most of the time the designer is SOL when it comes to these types of situations.

[Dale]

This sucks. A lot of people work hard creating layouts & graphics and then selling them. Not fair when people rip them off. And then what happens? Nothing? Thats unacceptable.

It's good to see you're standing up for the designers :)

[Precious]

Sorry to break up the sob fest, but **** like this happens. Instead of starting a long thread that's likely to not solve a thing, how about getting back to work to make up for the lost $? In the time it took you to fill 13 pages with drama (I didn't see the offending sites listed, just back and forth.. back and forth), you could have made a lot of layouts, glitters, or whatever.

Tar and feather me now, but it's true, isn't it?
Sorry, but this is the vent it out section and that's what i'm doing - venting.
Thanks to this thread, I have now decided to refuse to sell to certain people - and this thread tells me exactly who to avoid.

[Dale]

Sorry to break up the sob fest, but **** like this happens. Instead of starting a long thread that's likely to not solve a thing, how about getting back to work to make up for the lost $? In the time it took you to fill 13 pages with drama (I didn't see the offending sites listed, just back and forth.. back and forth), you could have made a lot of layouts, glitters, or whatever.

Tar and feather me now, but it's true, isn't it?

We're all entitled to start threads in the "Vent it Out" section about anything that's making us mad [within reason...] . Everyone gave their opinion on what they thought about it, etc.

[Precious]

I actually think I will close this, as I'm trying to just let it blow over right now. I have to much going on for me to have to worry about someone being disrespectful and not removing my layouts.

[Scilynt]

A lot of this wouldn't be happening if designers didn't stop tagging their layouts. As a designer you should demand the layouts you sell be tagged before you deliver them.

Not only that but if people steal the tagged layouts you could then get the site owners like myself who actually have legal counsel on retainer to help you go after them because it would then be obvious that they got it from our sites.

Instead in the interests of a fast buck by mass producing content you can sell over and over again you decided to not tag and now your content is out there in the wild.

If you have a problem tagging because of what you get paid per layout then charge more! If your layouts aren't good enough to charge more then maybe you should consider doing something else and letting the people that can make good layouts do it.... Maybe stop labeling all your sale threads "HQ" while you're at it. (NOT saying that to anyone in particular it's a general trend that seems to be going around).

Not saying "it's your own fault" or anything. Sucks your content got stolen. Just pointing out how you could avoid it in the future.Take it from George as he knows a thing or two about people getting ripped off and the way to run a business (hint, only worrry about yourself even if not following through with written agreements).

I do agree though and think most buyers would be willing to pay a little more to include tagging. There are also a few people who offer tagging services now so making deals with them in advanced to have your layouts tagged should be easier. It is a pain but really in everyones best interest in the end.