Rank top ten in google

[YourSQL]

for the keywords "myspace" and "myspace layouts"

must make you sooo much money and traffic

[Scilynt]

and have a gazillion worth of competition ;). Much more possible to go niche.

[alexisthemovie]

every site on the first page makes at least 1k/day while the top 3 might be pulling 5 figures some days.. 2nd page are still doing a couple hundred.

[Drew]

Alexis: Which ones yours?

[alexisthemovie]

its alex :) and im not even ranked for that keyword because i havent really targetted it however i do appear on a couple of the top 20 sites through link exchanges. i prefer not to give out my url however i guess if you really wanted to know, you could probably find it by doing a thorough search of my username somewhere...

i find that the best thing to the "myspace layouts" keyword is by creating layout categories for relatively highly searched keywords. google drops by my site at least once per day (i think because of those link exchanges) and indexes all my new layouts by the next day. i get lots of traffic that way.

also having "updates and news" on the homepage is an awesome place to stuff some keywords and spread some links throughout your site. those are just some simpler tips.

[money_train]

i think i asked this before as well.
do link exchange still work to get good rankings?
if they do how many links does one get by manual linking daily?

[YourSQL]

The problem is the positive feedback loop. Sites in the top 10 of those keywords have various 'templates' containing a link back to the site. When people use those templates the resource site gets a free inbound link. So if your ranked in the top 10 for 'Myspace' or 'myspace layouts' you are getting 100's of free backlinks every day which further strengthens your position.

It makes me kinda envious seeing those top 10 sites and knowing that the webmasters of those sites are making so much money with so little effort and with SUUUUPER HIGH profit margins. It makes me wish I had gotten started in myspace muuuuch sooner/. Myspace came out in early 2004
and the first resource sites were created in late 2004. if you had created such a site and did a little SEo and link exchanig you could be top 10 now for 'Myspace' and 'myspace layouts' and never have to work another day in your life.

Ever hear the pharse 'early bird gets the worm'? Early bird also gets top 10 serps as well.

I am looking forthe next big thing to rival myspace. What is it?Who knows. The rpoblem is the next big thing is hard to predict.

I contempated creating a tagworld layout site but I relized noone uses tagworld and that myspace dominates the whole social networking thing. It is too late.

Suck thinking about it. Bffft

[YourSQL]

i think i asked this before as well.
do link exchange still work to get good rankings?
if they do how many links does one get by manual linking daily?

Don't exchange. Jsut buy it. Exchange links cary less weight and most webmaster WONT exchange unless you can match thier traffic (remember no such thing as free lunch?)Even if you do buy a hihg PR link in the hopes of ranking higher you will have to wait a very long time to see a change (espeically if your site is new or sandboxed) or the link may have no affect at all and you just wasted several thousand dollars.

[Drew]

the early bird gets the worm, but it's not hard to steal that worm...

[money_train]

am looking fwd to get my pice of the worm now.
i guess its never too late there is some for everyone.
and with the kind of suppport we have here i guess we all will shine high in the myspace category.

[Drew]

actually there are ways to get one way links for $0 down, I've given a number of people links just to help them out, and I have received a number from people who have used stuff I have released. (Their voluntary links btw, I don't demand the link, only ask if people use my stuff to link back, some do, some don't)

[YourSQL]

Techincally only 10 can shine high

but ill settle for 11-20 though :)

[Connections]

I was trying to target my site to the keywork "myspace layouts" i can only pull like page 4 on google lmao..

any one seen thoes stats from skizie 8 million uniqes in the past 6 months DAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
.

but on msn for the keyword "myspace layouts" I am ranked so HIGH ..I dont know why????

[alexisthemovie]

all the top sites suck they never update content and their sites in general all have the same layouts/images, etc.

[Connections]

yeah I know they never update them they dont ahve to becuase they already have the market share lol, Im doing business with one of the real top sites atm :D one of the xx,xxx+ month empires :D

[Sergio]

If you create original content, update it regularly, there is absolutely no reason why you won't rank high, even for 'myspace layouts'. Original content = word of mouth.

[alexisthemovie]

If you create original content, update it regularly, there is absolutely no reason why you won't rank high, even for 'myspace layouts'. Original content = word of mouth.

thats not true. the topsites all started with digitalpoint co-op back when it was extremely effective. they all started early too and are miles and miles ahead of the backlink game. you can't catch them unless they get banned, which they won't, because they paused co-op ages ago. the only big site i know of that is still running coop is towercodes.com

[Drew]

If they are no longer using co-op then they won't have that weight any longer.

[Cyclops]

If they are no longer using co-op then they won't have that weight any longer.
Exactly...thats the problem I ran into with a couple of my sites that were doing really well in Google.
The COOP stuffed up, the number of backlinks reported went down, my weight went down and my serp positions disappeared.

:eek: My income from those sites dried up.....:poop:

[PGZ]

Just typed in "New MySpace surveys" in Google and there are 2 MSRS sites there.

One is #6 and the other is #10

PGZ

[layoutcentral]

for the keywords "myspace" and "myspace layouts"

must make you sooo much money and traffic


probably so, i wonder.

[Assailant]

if you think you will make 1k a day from being top ten in google alone for myspace layouts you have another thing comin.

[jeremy860]

if you think you will make 1k a day from being top ten in google alone for myspace layouts you have another thing comin.

I think it easily paves the road to those kind of earnings.

[mcx]

for the keywords "myspace" and "myspace layouts"

must make you sooo much money and traffic

NOPE your wrong i spend 0$ and im on page 4th "myspace layouts" and on 2nd "myspace layout"

[George]

I know people like fryman owe some of their success to the co-op. He's one of those top ranked sites I believe.

But it's interesting how none of them are using it now.

You always hear co-op users tell you how great it is and how it works IF you use it right. But they never tell you what that means ;)

[MaxS]

I know people like fryman owe some of their success to the co-op. He's one of those top ranked sites I believe.

But it's interesting how none of them are using it now.

You always hear co-op users tell you how great it is and how it works IF you use it right. But they never tell you what that means ;)
Why would they? If I knew how to properly use Co-op, I wouldn't exactly tell the world.

That said, if you do know how to use it, it's extremely powerful. At one point, I had a site ranking on the first page for the term "myspace" -- of course, since all I did was throw weight into it, it was dropped from the rankings soon after.

[Dean]

I have yet to get past page 16 for "myspace layouts" .. granted I havent tried extremely hard but I dont know whether I could with all my efforts.

Another thing I wonder is when people say ..

I pay $0 and got to page 1

Do you believe them? I mean is it really possible to get a site to page 1 with no money at all?

Not flaming at all, just curious whether people see this as possible.

Dean

[jeremy860]

I have yet to get past page 16 for "myspace layouts" .. granted I havent tried extremely hard but I dont know whether I could with all my efforts.

Another thing I wonder is when people say ..



Do you believe them? I mean is it really possible to get a site to page 1 with no money at all?

Not flaming at all, just curious whether people see this as possible.

Dean

its prolly because they were one of the first resource sites out there. I just dont see it as possible for a newer site to come in the game and have to spend $0 on getting started.

[Assailant]

I was at page 1 and had people paying ME at one point in time. Now i dont bother for first page with the top keywords...I let all the other sites fight over them while im sneaking through the back door getting 10 times more traffic than them

[George]

Why would they? If I knew how to properly use Co-op, I wouldn't exactly tell the world.

That said, if you do know how to use it, it's extremely powerful. At one point, I had a site ranking on the first page for the term "myspace" -- of course, since all I did was throw weight into it, it was dropped from the rankings soon after.Yeah see that's what happens, people give rave reviews to the co-op but don't tell you the proper way to use it. Frankly that can do more damage than good. The co-op can be just as dangerous as it can be helpful. It's really a gamble because no one knows what google is going to be looking for next month.

Trust me, I speak from experience: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=1658063

People can spend a LOT of money and effort pushing weight to a site then end up dropping from the rankings completely along with their earnings and business.

[jeremy860]

Yeah see that's what happens, people give rave reviews to the co-op but don't tell you the proper way to use it. Frankly that can do more damage than good. The co-op can be just as dangerous as it can be helpful. It's really a gamble because no one knows what google is going to be looking for next month.

Trust me, I speak from experience: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=1658063

People can spend a LOT of money and effort pushing weight to a site then end up dropping from the rankings completely along with their earnings and business.

and that my friend is why I dont mess with the co-op. Too much of a risk..

[MaxS]

Yeah see that's what happens, people give rave reviews to the co-op but don't tell you the proper way to use it. Frankly that can do more damage than good. The co-op can be just as dangerous as it can be helpful. It's really a gamble because no one knows what google is going to be looking for next month.

Trust me, I speak from experience: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?p=1658063

People can spend a LOT of money and effort pushing weight to a site then end up dropping from the rankings completely along with their earnings and business.
Oh, I know. I'm well aware the risks involved.

[minnseoelite]

I am just waiting for the next big Google algo update will be interesting to see which of the current top 30 sites remain and which ones fall

[jeremy860]

I am just waiting for the next big Google algo update will be interesting to see which of the current top 30 sites remain and which ones fall

so am I. man it would be nice to wake up one day and see my site on the first page in google for myspace layouts. I would crack open the champaine bottle, even if it was just for temporarly. :cheers:

[mcx]

Well google made update for my page and now im on page 3 for "myspace layouts" (went up +4spots)

[wce]

Sites that rank in the top 10-20 don't make as much as one would think. The ads have drastically dropped in price. I used to get $.25-30/click 5+/months ago, now I'm in the $.03-.05 range... it's from everyone slapping up crap resource sites with ripped content, now they're a dime a dozen... and even though people rank in the top 10 for key terms, they're ads are affected from the million other little sites

[minnseoelite]

Sites that rank in the top 10-20 don't make as much as one would think. The ads have drastically dropped in price. I used to get $.25-30/click 5+/months ago, now I'm in the $.03-.05 range... it's from everyone slapping up crap resource sites with ripped content, now they're a dime a dozen... and even though people rank in the top 10 for key terms, they're ads are affected from the million other little sites

even ranking in the top 20 or top 30 for myspace layouts one can still pull a few hundred a day.........if my site had the extra traffic from being in the top 20 with my current CTR and eCPM i would be pulling in at least $200 a day........diversify and optimize my man :cheers:

[jeremy860]

Sites that rank in the top 10-20 don't make as much as one would think. The ads have drastically dropped in price. I used to get $.25-30/click 5+/months ago, now I'm in the $.03-.05 range... it's from everyone slapping up crap resource sites with ripped content, now they're a dime a dozen... and even though people rank in the top 10 for key terms, they're ads are affected from the million other little sites

haha how about being in YPN and averaging $0.40 per click?

[wce]

even ranking in the top 20 or top 30 for myspace layouts one can still pull a few hundred a day.........if my site had the extra traffic from being in the top 20 with my current CTR and eCPM i would be pulling in at least $200 a day........diversify and optimize my man :cheers:

Maybe if you have an extremely high CTR or so and some good avertisers and a site loaded up with a ton of ads. "If my site had the extra traffic" well how much extra traffic are you talking about? I don't think you're gonna start snagging 20-30-40k more unique visitors a day by being top 30 for myspace layouts...

let me ask you this, how many users would you assume it would take to make, say, $200?

[wce]

hell, I'd be damn happy with $.40/click... don't have YPN :[ didn't it used to be a lot higher?

[jeremy860]

hell, I'd be damn happy with $.40/click... don't have YPN :[ didn't it used to be a lot higher?

oh yes, last year I was making $1-$5 per click.

[Selena]

I don't think you're gonna start snagging 20-30-40k more unique visitors a day by being top 30 for myspace layouts...


Maybe not in the top 11-30, but in the top 10, you'd be suprised how much they're raking in. I've spoken with many of them, now whether their lying about their earnings or not, the amount they can afford to pay their designers for graphics speaks for itself. If a site can manage to get 8k or so uniques without much search engine traffic, imagine what a top 10 spot for myspace layouts would do. It'd bring in at LEAST 10k uniques a day. However, I find targetting niche keywords works fine, and they are much easier to get high rankings for.

And on the note about how much per click..on certain ad units I average .15-.22 a click on select days. [with adsense]

[minnseoelite]

Maybe if you have an extremely high CTR or so and some good avertisers and a site loaded up with a ton of ads. "If my site had the extra traffic" well how much extra traffic are you talking about? I don't think you're gonna start snagging 20-30-40k more unique visitors a day by being top 30 for myspace layouts...

let me ask you this, how many users would you assume it would take to make, say, $200?

well i do have a pretty decent CTR and V/C is CPM so it dont matter if the visitor clicks on them or not. Then there is the side you are not considering by recieving more traffic from being in the top 10 that also means more people using my layouts which means more referals from myspace, and my site would have more traffic so I could get link exchanges with other high traffic sites....it all adds up

And myspace layouts is not the only thing I am targeting......right now my site holds top 10 positions for 4 other myspace layout phrases :)

[wce]

I'm not disagreeing that the top 10's might not make a few bucks.. I was referring more to the ones saying in the 11-30 range.

I must be doing something wrong, because I'm doing around 35k unique/day and I sure as hell don't come anywhere close to .15-.22/click with adsense... if I did, I'd be vacationing much more frequently :P What sort of CTR ya getting?

minnseoelite: I have V/C too... but can only slap up so many VC ads on a page :P if my google CTR was better I'd be doing a lot better.. what sort of CTR do you get? I'm only at like .5% :/

[minnseoelite]

I'm not disagreeing that the top 10's might not make a few bucks.. I was referring more to the ones saying in the 11-30 range.

I must be doing something wrong, because I'm doing around 35k unique/day and I sure as hell don't come anywhere close to .15-.22/click with adsense... if I did, I'd be vacationing much more frequently :P What sort of CTR ya getting?

most myspace sites get between 2 - 4%.......i will just say i get higher than that ;)

[wce]

jesus, what the hell are they doing that I'm not? :[ If I was pulling a 2-4% CTR I would be doing a LOT better....you gotta be putting images next to the adsense or something right? I don't want to risk my adsense account by violating TOS

[minnseoelite]

jesus, what the hell are they doing that I'm not? :[ If I was pulling a 2-4% CTR I would be doing a LOT better....you gotta be putting images next to the adsense or something right? I don't want to risk my adsense account by violating TOS


nope no images next to ads just placing the ads within the content, blending, and using the ad size formats that Google recommends wanna see one of my sites go to layoutsplanet.com its using just adsense


before G stopped allowing images next to ads i had one site that had like a xx% CTR lol

[wce]

gawd, I needed to get in during the YPN days... and with the images next to the ads etc... I get a .5% ctr on a good day, pos!

[Selena]

I'm not disagreeing that the top 10's might not make a few bucks.. I was referring more to the ones saying in the 11-30 range.

I must be doing something wrong, because I'm doing around 35k unique/day and I sure as hell don't come anywhere close to .15-.22/click with adsense... if I did, I'd be vacationing much more frequently :P What sort of CTR ya getting?

minnseoelite: I have V/C too... but can only slap up so many VC ads on a page :P if my google CTR was better I'd be doing a lot better.. what sort of CTR do you get? I'm only at like .5% :/

Don't get me wrong, the majority of the time I'm only averaging about 1-5 cents per click. However, on some good days and on a certain ad unit on my site I get lucky and manage to earn a lot from my clicks. However, my traffic isn't very good right now. When I was getting almost 3k a day, my CTR was aroung 5%, but since my traffic has dropped my CTR is only about 1-2%. But my traffic is building... since I worked on some new techniques.

And no, I've never put images next to my ads.

[minnseoelite]

gawd, I needed to get in during the YPN days... and with the images next to the ads etc... I get a .5% ctr on a good day, pos!

if you have a site why not post the URL here I am sure people on here wouldn't mind taking a look at your setup and giving you some tips to improve your CTR

[Ajay]

I'm not disagreeing that the top 10's might not make a few bucks.. I was referring more to the ones saying in the 11-30 range.

I must be doing something wrong, because I'm doing around 35k unique/day and I sure as hell don't come anywhere close to .15-.22/click with adsense... if I did, I'd be vacationing much more frequently :P What sort of CTR ya getting?

minnseoelite: I have V/C too... but can only slap up so many VC ads on a page :P if my google CTR was better I'd be doing a lot better.. what sort of CTR do you get? I'm only at like .5% :/

I get X.XX but not as high as 4% are you using the rectangle ad format? ever since I put that one on, i went from .X to X.XX

[minnseoelite]

the medium and large rectagle ads blended with your content usually average at least 3% CTR depending on how well they are blended

[Ad disengaged]

With YPN you can make up to $1-2 a click consistantly IF you target money keywords like mortgage and lawyer. However the odds of getting terminated are high, even if dont target those words. Yahoo publisher doesnt like myspace sites in general.

[Jordan]

holy crap i must really suck... my CTR is always at 4-7% and i'm only getting 0.05 a click on average.
selena how the hell do you manage to get like 0.20 a click? damnnnn.

[minnseoelite]

holy crap i must really suck... my CTR is always at 4-7% and i'm only getting 0.05 a click on average.
selena how the hell do you manage to get like 0.20 a click? damnnnn.

if you put enough "non myspace" text on the page google will deliver non myspace ads now and then

[Jordan]

^ Well then what keywords would i concentrate on?
my users are usually looking for more myspace stuff so i dont get why they would want to click something irrelevant

Today I've had like over 100 clicks, 2500 impressions and only made $1.17... damn thats crap.

[minnseoelite]

you can still use words that will interest them......like if you have a page with a spiderman layout make sure to use the word spiderman and movie a few times without the word myspace or layout next to it. People that are looking at spiderman layouts may also be interested in ads about spiderman as well

[Jordan]

^ Ah yeah I get you, I still need to make my site have dynamic page titles and all that but the way I hand-coded the whole site makes it difficult.

[George]

^ Well then what keywords would i concentrate on?
my users are usually looking for more myspace stuff so i dont get why they would want to click something irrelevant

Today I've had like over 100 clicks, 2500 impressions and only made $1.17... damn thats crap.Dude, I BS you not, if you had a YPN account you would have made close to if not over $100 that day.

[MaxS]

Dude, I BS you not, if you had a YPN account you would have made close to if not over $100 that day.
Maybe it's time I give YPN another shot. Under that logic, I'd be making $x,xxx/day with it.

[George]

The numbers don't lie brotha.

See attached image from just one of my lower traffic sites yesterday.

[wce]

well, I had 2500 clicks yesterday for $144 with adsense, so beat that!!!!!!!!!!!

[mikeb]

^ Well then what keywords would i concentrate on?
my users are usually looking for more myspace stuff so i dont get why they would want to click something irrelevant

Today I've had like over 100 clicks, 2500 impressions and only made $1.17... damn thats crap.

Wanna know the most money I make? I have a page of comment tags devoted to bikers, Harley riders etc....those ads pay bank. Why I cannot get my hip-hop, celebrity layout pages to show ads relevant to that is beyond me.

[mikeb]

even ranking in the top 20 or top 30 for myspace layouts one can still pull a few hundred a day.........if my site had the extra traffic from being in the top 20 with my current CTR and eCPM i would be pulling in at least $200 a day........diversify and optimize my man :cheers:

Good lord...if I made even a hundred a day just from myspace I'd be styling. I make 3x as much on other sites with 1/3 of the traffic. But I'll keep plugging away!

[MaxS]

The numbers don't lie brotha.

See attached image from just one of my lower traffic sites yesterday.
Do you leave it untargeted?

[jeremy860]

The numbers don't lie brotha.

See attached image from just one of my lower traffic sites yesterday.

I doubt a person with just 2k uniques is gonna make that much though because I get 8-9k (38,000 impressions) uniques per day and I make about the same area as in that screenshot.

clicks are lower because the ads are irrelevent most of the time, adsense clicks are wayyy higher since the ads are right on the spot.

[George]

I doubt a person with just 2k uniques is gonna make that much though because I get 8-9k (38,000 impressions) uniques per day and I make about the same area as in that screenshot.

clicks are lower because the ads are irrelevent most of the time, adsense clicks are wayyy higher since the ads are right on the spot.
lol actually that site got 2,152 uniques yesterday. You can tell by the impressions ;)

[vulcanstudios]

I got 2,500 uniques the other day and got about 10,000 impressions. There's no way that many uniques can pull in 70,000 views.

[Marty]

I rank top 10 for alot of things in google. I'm on page 2 for myspace codes and myspace generators right now, will be page one soon - keep your eyes on this. I'm on page 4/5 for myspace layouts, will be at page one for that soon too, will take a little longer though.

[minnseoelite]

ever notice there are like 20 people that say they are going to be on page 1 for myspace layouts soon.........i thought only 10 sites could fit in the top 10 lol

[Marty]

ever notice there are like 20 people that say they are going to be on page 1 for myspace layouts soon.........i thought only 10 sites could fit in the top 10 lolWell, you simply knock one of those top 10's onto page two, crazy huh!!! The competition is great, i love it.

[minnseoelite]

well on that note it looks like all the current top 10 sites are going to be replaced by those here on MSP.........cool a forum member battle for first page

[Marty]

No, just just one of the top 10 by me. :)

[MaxS]

lol actually that site got 2,152 uniques yesterday. You can tell by the impressions ;)
I tried out YPN and my RPC was .18c. That's targeted. I had xxx clicks -- at this point, I'd be better off with Adsense.

[jeremy860]

well on that note it looks like all the current top 10 sites are going to be replaced by those here on MSP.........cool a forum member battle for first page

yea I'm really seeing alot of different sites finally take the first page now. Its cool. I'm hoping to make it to the next step soon(2nd page) and then hopefully the firstpage someday...

[feyv]

it is pricey to be on the top?

[Selena]

I gave up on trying to rank for "myspace layouts" awhile ago.
I'm going for #1 on the niche keywords though and so far, I'm actually doing pretty well with it.

[mcx]

well i went up+ in "myspace layouts" keyword by 2 spots like last night, i hope i get on 1st page...

[vulcanstudios]

"Myspace Layots" from the bottom of page 3 is a LOOOONNG way to go, honestly you'll have to pay 2,000+ to get to page one each month. Also you've got a lot better chances being on page one for "Myspace Layout" since your on page two.

[mcx]

key word "myspace layouts" get more hits, i rather go after big fish :rolleyes:

[vulcanstudios]

I suppose if you do move up higher for "Myspace Layouts" and you have proper meta tags for "Myspace Layout" then you'll move up for both.

[Scilynt]

I gave up on trying to rank for "myspace layouts" awhile ago.
I'm going for #1 on the niche keywords though and so far, I'm actually doing pretty well with it.I think this is the best strategy really. It works out as well since it seems going for a longer tail keyword also helps with the included words.

"hot myspace layouts" also helps your "myspace layouts" position if you get ranked high. Seems once you get ranked first on a halfway popular term your site is trusted a lot more and you get a lot of other terms easily. So definiely a nice way to start and actually see some results with basic SEO.

I've been working on "myspace layouts" for a little over a week now just to see how far I can get mostly for fun. I went from the low hundreds to 50s already and think I could get a bit higher as is. Getting much higher will be hard because those are more sites that actually know what they are doing with SEO heheh.

[minnseoelite]

Climbing up in the ranks is kinda like climing a hill....its easy at the bottom but gets more difficult twards the top since those sites generally earn enough money to hire a full time SEO team and can just concentrate on running their sites and adding content.

[snakeyes]

Don't exchange. Jsut buy it. Exchange links cary less weight and most webmaster WONT exchange unless you can match thier traffic (remember no such thing as free lunch?)Even if you do buy a hihg PR link in the hopes of ranking higher you will have to wait a very long time to see a change (espeically if your site is new or sandboxed) or the link may have no affect at all and you just wasted several thousand dollars.

For the new sites you almost have to link exchange the get some sort of start. unless you have deep pockets you can't begin to get your hopes up for that "top 10 google spot"

[guk6kk]

In myspace content doesnt matter. What it matters are links!

[Ad disengaged]

In myspace content doesnt matter. What it matters are links!

That is true, but you have to put some effort or google will notice

[brassdragon]

i'm quite pleased: I'm on first page of myspace brushes and myspace gens and second page for myspace generators
:D

[Makis77]

i was doing very good on various phrases, now i m on 1st page for "how to get popular on myspace"

[rescreatu]

the early bird gets the worm, but it's not hard to steal that worm...
Exactly, just work harder and try to beat them.:gunsmilie: