Marketing on MySpace for dummies

[littleking]

Can someone point to me an eBook, Report or some articles that gives the lowdown on marketing via MySpace.

This stuff is completely new to me.

Thanks.

[Drew]

I haven't seen anything that is worth reading.

You might be better off giving us a broad idea of your site/market and what you want to achieve and a list of questions and then we can give advice/opinions on how we would approach it.

[Scilynt]

Maybe Nintendo and Cyclops can team together and write a good ebook heheheh.

[littleking]

Actually, I just want to know and understand what's out there so I can keep building my arsenal of marketing weapons

[Cyclops]

Maybe Nintendo and Cyclops can team together and write a good ebook heheheh.
Now thats a good idea, problem is MySpace changes the rules while the ball is in play.
I'm pretty new to Myspace, only bothered with it since I bought MSRS but have read up on it intensively since then.

The people that are making the Money by targeting MySpace users are as usual the Porn sites. They send bulletins out to millions of MySpace accounts on the hour evey hour.
Bands and their promotors sell millions of CDs of course which is what MySpace started off as, a place to promote bands and sell their music.
People selling games and clothing are also raking it in.

I read a thread by one guy who uses Bulletins to promote sports equipment, he is selling over 100 pair of shoes a day + a heap of other stuff, he said he sells three Jetskis a week. They run out at around 3k+ each.

Our Adsense money is just a grain of sand on the beach compared to what can be done with a potential market like that.

[fryman]

The question is... how the heck do you manage to build a userbase of millions when myspace blocks you if you do more than 500 friend requests per day?

[Scilynt]

Yeah I think that 15kchallenge thing will show more people the power behind it. Both good but also bad because it may become too mainstream and obvious and just help myspace to block more of it.

[Greg-J]

I'm all about MrGeek's 1dollarchallenge

[Scilynt]

lol yeah right. There is no way to make $1 in a month.



heheh.

[PGZ]

The question is... how the heck do you manage to build a userbase of millions when myspace blocks you if you do more than 500 friend requests per day?

Takes alot of time.

PGZ

[Drew]

ahh the 1dollarchallenge... I really should do that... not going to explain the concept...

[Greg-J]

Turn $1 into $2, 2 into 4, 4 into 8? etc. etc?

[Scilynt]

Thats is actually a cool idea/concept. Could be something that does very well on one of those one page sales sites type thing.

"dollar doubler" lol.

Afterall, doubling like that, it doesn't take many times at all before you are talking about a LOT of money.

Anybody play at moola.com? Same kind of concept where everyone starts with a free penny. You watch ads then get to play your penny against someone else. Whoever wins gets both, the loser starts over with another free penny. Then the winner can play against 2cent people and so on. Kind of a cool concept. Off topic, I know. It just reminded me of it lol.

[Greg-J]

Have I played Moola? I started clubmoola.com :P

Sold it a while back after I lost interest in the game itself though.

[LinkPromo]

Interesting concept. Anyone have an invite they could send me?

[Scilynt]

lmao, really Greg? I was considering starting a moola based community site but got bored too lol. Been meaning to go back and play the newest two games but keep forgetting lol.

Link, I think I probably have a couple. post/pm your email and I will send one. They only give them to you in sets of like 3 at a time but I haven't given any for a long while.

[Greg-J]

Yeah Scilynt, I did.

There was a forum called moolapros.com at the time and the kid who ran it was a complete ***. I started a forum and was my normal self. He spammed my forum, I banned him. People came to my forum and his shut down (shared hosting message was there forever).

Anyway, it only took me about 3 weeks to get sick of moola and I sold the forum for a couple hundred bucks. I've seen it go up for sale a few times, but people just off it because they can't monetize it.

[Drew]

When your sick of myspacepro's I'll buy it for a couple hundred bucks!

[LinkPromo]

When your sick of myspacepro's I'll buy it for a couple hundred bucks!

lol, I got a feeling Greg will tell you to keep dreaming.

[Greg-J]

lol. Yeah, I think I'll hold on to this one.

In fact, I already have my new forum name picked out for when I decide to get a little gutsy. It's got the word 'pros' in it, and it's only 6 letters long.

Start guessing ;)

[Drew]

mypros would be my first guess

[Scilynt]

Yeah Scilynt, I did.

There was a forum called moolapros.com at the time and the kid who ran it was a complete ***. I started a forum and was my normal self. He spammed my forum, I banned him. People came to my forum and his shut down (shared hosting message was there forever).

Anyway, it only took me about 3 weeks to get sick of moola and I sold the forum for a couple hundred bucks. I've seen it go up for sale a few times, but people just off it because they can't monetize it.Yeah I remember both from back then. I may have even registered but never bothered taking part. Seems like it could still be a big draw but I think a lot of people get bored playing pretty quick. Maybe after it gets out of beta and if it gets really popular there would be more demand for a good forum.

[Jazzylee77]

The question is... how the heck do you manage to build a userbase of millions when myspace blocks you if you do more than 500 friend requests per day?

I've thought about this a little. I know most of this is simple thinking, but I'll theoretically run through it anyway. I'll go with the premise that a million friend requests per day would result in a good number.

Create 2,000 users.

Then one million requests per day. A variation on this would be use the method suggested by badderadder; many users sending request emails for a single user. Conversion for me seems to be lower with this method than straight friend requests.

Ok, obvious limitations. Probably can't make a million requests in a day.

Compromise to system capacity.


Keep adding users till it takes longer than a day to run through them with whatever system you have.

I only have 6 profiles at the moment and it seems to take a couple hours to run them all through badderadder for requests in a chain mode. sometimes it chokes on a page script, so I need to be around to check on it. So in my case using just that computer I could theoretically make 500 requests for 72 profiles in a day, or 36000 requests. At this system capacity I could make a million requests in a month. Building a network of 28 computers I could hit the daily one million requests target.


But would this be smart? Are IPs logged? If not isn't it likely they will be?

Lets assume all these requests coming from my identifiable ip is not a problem.

Problems of many many accounts

What about those 2,000 yahoo email accounts I created for the profiles? The thought of that alone gives me a headache. What if you used a numerical system for your accounts... spacer1000@yahoo.com spacer1001@yahoo.com spacer1002@yahoo.com etc. another potential flag I suppose. But tracking all those addresses would drive me batty. Ok...do I need to even be concerned with losing those yahoo accounts by never logging on again? Question is...will myspace ever require re-authentication via email? Alternatively I could use email accounts on my own server...but another potential red flag that is. Or what if someone wrote (not me!) an addon for an adder robot that auto-created random email accounts somewhere. Then maintained that list in the adder programs account manager...(I'm just brainstorming here)
How would you vary the content for that many profiles? Would it matter?


Ok, so I get away with maxing out the request production potential of my home network. Then what?

More potential red flags?

a high number of comments, messages, bulletins etc. from the same ip.
Similar content of comments and messages from many users.


Just wondering if answers are known to any of these obvious questions. Meanwhile I'll keep plugging along, maybe adding another account now and then.

[money_train]

i am also thinking on these lines.
i already have 10 account up.
but it takes a lot of effort to get new email accounts then on a scale that you have written it will require a lot man power or automation as well.
guess have to start enacting on these lines as well.

[Cyclops]

You don't need a real email account, just make an email address up.
After you set up an account go into account settings and click Do not send me notification emails and Do not send me MySpace newsletters.

Just m,ake sure you write down the email address you make up for the account though as you need it to log in.

[money_train]

thanx for the reply.
but as chance would have it i had figured that on my own.
any way how many accounts do the big guys have.
wait i will start another thread for this post.

[YourSQL]

Can someone point to me an eBook, Report or some articles that gives the lowdown on marketing via MySpace.

This stuff is completely new to me.

Thanks.

would you like it presented on a silver platter? Or spoonfed?

[GeorgeB]

Enough with the pointless spamming punk.

[Greg-J]

Agreed. I see another trolled thread and I'll ban your IP and screen name. I don't care about having high stats on these forums as much as I care about the quality of the content.

[Connections]

just set accounts on myspace and use adder programs its easy as mate,

also have your own methods of marketing that no one else uses in your market and you will get hits :D

[Hupdaddy]

Can someone point to me an eBook, Report or some articles that gives the lowdown on marketing via MySpace.

This stuff is completely new to me.

Thanks.

Marketing to the MySpace crowd is all about knowing your audience...what exactly are you trying to market and to who?

Maybe I can throw a few thoughts your way...

Also - if you really want a book to check out, my book 'MySpace For Dummies' should hit shelves this week and of course you can always snag it from Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0470095296/102-7304124-1658556?v=glance&n=283155) (probably cheaper that way). There is a whole chapter dedicated to 'marketing the MySpace way'.

[Ad disengaged]

The guys who make big bucks marketing on myspace using phishing scripts via the quicktime worm. They are able to send out millions of messages to random users and steal thousands of accounts in a matter of days. I dont know if the quicktime worm exploit still works on myspace. I havn't seen any evidence of it now but it did work month ago.

[Helios]

The quicktime thing still works...myspace is slow to properly fix things, unfortunately.

Since this thread got resurrected...did you guys see that Tom's profile
got hacked the other day? Spammed to 148 million people, directing them
to a phishing site.

I wonder if they'll catch the dude behind that.

[Kyle]

You don't need a real email account, just make an email address up.
After you set up an account go into account settings and click Do not send me notification emails and Do not send me MySpace newsletters.

Just m,ake sure you write down the email address you make up for the account though as you need it to log in.


Great advice. I learned this the hard way.

[Selena]

Since this thread got resurrected...did you guys see that Tom's profile
got hacked the other day? Spammed to 148 million people, directing them
to a phishing site.

I wonder if they'll catch the dude behind that.

Holy moly. The dude who managed that must've been pretty damn slick.

As far as marketting, i've found a good way to get emails generated, but I'm so lazy and don't feel like adding friends right now. As for an update...does AR still bypass captcha on requests? Because if so, i'll consider buying and making a good 50 or so accounts.

[Cyclops]

Personally I can't see the point of making up accounts and adding friends anymore.

I have about 20 accounts that have about 30k friends in total but these days you need access to 1 million or more friends to receive a return on the time and effort you put into creating and adding friends to accounts.
Those accounts don't do anything for me and I stopped working on them weeks ago.

I used to send bulletins and comments to 1 million but now sending to 3 million doesn't generate the same traffic.
People just don't open bulletins, they have been spammed to death and their are so many bulletins passing through that unless the person is online at the time the bulletin won't even be seen let alone opened.

It's a numbers game and you need big numbers of friends to see any positive results.

[Selena]

I think that yes, that is the result of many people's bulletin's these days. But I also think most of the bulletins being sent these days are clearly stupidly written. If your friend list is a bunch of 18 y/o girls, you need to word your bulletins differently. Your bulletin will get opened if you know how to word it right. At least thats been my reactions. I won't really talk about it in detail, but i have some strategies that involve lower numbers that bring in better results than sending it to 1million friends.

[Jazzylee77]

I'm going to yell random phrases in malls and see which ones make the most teenagers turn around.

[MKInfo]

It's got the word 'pros' in it, and it's only 6 letters long.

Start guessing ;)

Prosac.com ?

On a serious note can posting loads of bulletins from thousands of accounts get your domain name banned? If myspace can stop you using affiliate codes I'm sure that they can stop your domain name from being used.That would kill your site 100%

[Ad disengaged]

Create a myspace worm and make $$ that or promote your site using the worm. Get millions of hits in a few days that way.

[Selena]

Oh sure, yeah lets all be scumbags like at SNF right.
but on another note, about the email things. You can no longer just make up email accounts.

All new accounts now require email verification before you can begin adding friends, messaging, or commenting :( Sucks doesn't it. Oh well, i suppose i'll find another way besides bulletins...i've already come up with something new, not sure how well it'll work though.

[Jazzylee77]

looks like I need an auto email account creator now.

[Cyclops]

It's not difficult ... if you own a website you can make up any number of email accounts for it starting with support@ ... admin@ joeblow@ ... etc.

[Jazzylee77]

I thought of that but wondered about the ease of blocking an email domain. Probably worth a try anyway. I'm not putting too long term hopes on profiles at this point. Seems risky doing things that point back at you. I waste too much paranoia on this stuff.

[MyspaceTraffic]

Wow.. myspace is really turning up the heat. O_O Just last night I created some accounts and they don't need email verif but now.. geeze!

[Cyclops]

As I said above .... creating accounts isn't worth the hassle.

But if you are going to do it, just do it .... paranoia will just hold you back.

I have a saying paranoia or fear breeds fear and if you let it grip you you will never achieve anything in life ..... don't believe me ...... well just look around at the older people you know who have very little to show for their time on earth. They are the ones who live in fear of stuff, and are usually paranoid and never take calulated risks. They just sit back to afraid to grab life and let it pass them by.

[Connections]

my advice for newbies creating accounts, dont waste your time adding random demographics of people, make TARGETED accounts, eg accounts that target certain demographics of 18-24 males, 18-24 females ect ect....your bulletin results will be much much better =)

[Jazzylee77]

I have age groups too but also I use google search to find good niches, then create groups of accounts for that, then import the largest possible list of ids for that niche and whittle away at it with friend requests for that niche. then target comments and bulletins to that niche. When I have time that is....

[Raithe]

Read my profile :)

[money_train]

hey anyone checked this out.
this a flashy site am not sure what kind of information will be inside.

http://www.spacehogs.net/

i am not sure if this will have more info then what we share here
but am intrested in knowing if anyone has tried it or not

[Chili]

Looks like a money machine to me... I was thinking of doing something like this a while back. I haven't seen any infomercials yet, but I know they're coming. "make money with myspace"