Adobe Vs Jasc

[GREGO]

This debate has been brewing here lately so why not have it?? As a designer what program do you feel is better for making myspace related graphics? Please give a few reasons as to why you feel that way.

Jasc - Paint shop pro

Adobe - Photoshop

Ill give my opinion a lil later in the thread.. but some probably already know how I feel. :)

[NYCBORN]

I haven't used Paint Shop Pro in a long time so I can't comment on how good it is now. I use Photoshop and I love it. I think it will be hard to argue that PSP is better than Photoshop unless it has really gotten that good since I last used it.

[Mixi]

Well there is no debate really. Photoshop is a proffesional program with higher quality tools. Although PSP tries to give similar tools it just cant compare with the amount of options that photoshop gives. Thats why one is like 700 bucks and the other is like a 100 the quality just cant match up.

[laars]

I use PSP, but only because I can't figure PS out. I think both have their pros and cons, but PSP was easier for me to learn. I think it may be a sort of beginner programs and PS a more professional one.

[kenzie]

Jasc - Paint shop pro: I like PSP. I used to use PSP8 and I've since upgraded to PSPX. Both are great.

PSP is easy to use and is what I use most often.

Adobe - Photoshop: I currently have PhotoShop CS. I really like it but its difficult to use. I can make patterns/textures in there but I haven't figured out how to make glitters yet.

PSP is great but PS is greater. I just need to learn how to use PS correctly. :clown:

[mawt]

Photoshop is the greatest tool ever made. haha

[Carrielynne]

I just recently got Photoshop and as of right now I like my old outdated Paint Shop Pro 7. For the life of me I can't figure out Photoshop. I am sure ill come around but right now PS seems like junk to me.

[xo.Saz.xo]

I've only ever used PSP, but even if i had PS I'd probably still prefer PSP as I'm use to it, and it's relatively easy to use.

[dolcezza]

I use PSP for glitters and PS for the other graphic (not myspace related such as avatars, wallpapers...) I'm still not able to make glitters in PS because I'm so used with PSP that I don't bother to learn and I don't think it's useful to learn how to make them when I have the same result with PSP. Of course PS has more tools and for this reason I use it fot other graphic than glitters or maybe I use it for those graphics because I learnt to make them with PS (such as I make glitters with PSP because I learnt to make them with that...). So I think it depends on how you're used and how you learnt and if you have time an will (I don't :)) to learn how to use another design program.

[carlee]

Neither one is better for MySpace stuff over the other.

Learn how to use your chosen programme(s) and you will make great stuff.

www.good-tutorials.com (PS tutorials)
www.psplinks.com (PSP tutorials)
www.pixel2life.com (both)
Whenever you have some spare time, go to tutorial sites and try out as many of the tutorials as you can. You'll improve your knowledge of the programme and you'll improve your graphics skills as you go along.

The best programme in the world will not create awesome stuff all on its own, you need to know how. :P

[YabbaDoo]

Photoshop = too hard

[GREGO]

I remember when I first switched from PSP to PS i had a really hard time but thanks to a few college classes I learned photoshop well and I cant even imagine having to go back to PSP

It's different from PSP I think thats why ppl find it hard to learn, but once you get it down it's EZ and it makes it EZ to make quality graphics. I wen't into PSP 9 the other day just to screw around, and now i'm so used to PS that PSP is nearly impossable for me to use.

the one thing I do love and miss about PSP is the wind feature it had, photoshop can't touch it :) but other than that I think it's very limited compared to PS

[Andria]

I use PSP 7 for glitters and Photoshop 7 for layouts and such.

[theroof]

I used to use PSP but after i tried PS I never went back to to PSP. PS is awesome!.

[WhosThatGirl]

Photoshop hands down. PSP does not compare. Photoshop is a program for professionals and once you learn it, you will be amazed at what you can do. I started out with PSP and when I learned photoshop the quality of my work improved SO MUCH. I used to think PSP was great but once I figured out photoshop I can make a much higher quality glitter in half the time.

[rize]

i use both :)

[barcodeunit]

photoshop... paint shop pro has horrible compression and the images look like crap when you save them. not to mention the fact that you can do so much more with photoshop.

yes photoshop is more complicated, but once you get used to it, you're golden.

[minnseoelite]

I think it all depends on how much time you want to spend learning the program. I just started with PSP and can do pretty much whatever I want with it after only using it a few time.

PS on the other hand I have tried and tried to learn but just get annoyed by the big clunky crowded interface......as many have said before bigger is not always better and I have found nothing I cant do with PSP that others do on PS

[Mixi]

as many have said before bigger is not always better and I have found nothing I cant do with PSP that others do on PS

I think the questions should be what can you do in PS that you cant do in PSP. If you only strive to do the same thing than you will not grow. If you venture out into the unknown thats when u can sharpen your skills and go beyond what you ever expected. Photoshop is an amazing tool that takes time to learn just like with everything in life that needs refinement.

[Michelle]

Hmm.. I use PSP to make my glitters and PS to make other graphics. It works out for me.

[Jordan]

I started off with Paint Shop Pro and it was too basic and didn't have enough features - and also took way too long to load. Photoshop is so fast and has really good features as well as great plugins and effects. Photoshop is a more professional graphics tool and def. worth the money.

[jeremy860]

If you were to ask this question a month ago, i would have said paintshop because i have used it for years and the last time I tried using photoshop was 2 years ago and pretty much uninstalled it right away as it just seemed way to hard and difficult to understand.

but a month ago I got photoshop again and followed a bunch of online tutorials and finally started getting the hang of things and alot of stuff is just starting to feel alot easier. One of the things I like about photoshop is I have noticed that I make alot better graphics as with paintshop they would look alot more amateur. I think this is due to photoshop having more ability of doing alot more effects.

My vote now goes to Photoshop...

[sshjustkissme]

I believe I started out with PSP also when I was in high school, but then eventually switched to Photoshop and it's much easier. :D

[Greg-J]

I've been a Photoshop user for.... man I don't even know. The first version I can actually recall using was 3.1 on a PowerMac - so even though most newcomers find the interface confusing I couldn't imagine using anything else.

I've used PSP in the past and I find it over simplified. Photoshop still has a long way to go, but for the time being I think it is by and far the best product on the market. As for PSP, I'm actually more impressed with GIMP than PSP. A newbie might also want to consider checking out paint.NET. It's quite the little application.

[laars]

paint.net is decent, but it is definately a beginner program. although, it is, or at least used to be, free.

[theroof]

it looks like a lot of people started with PSP and moved on to PS.

[minnseoelite]

I think the questions should be what can you do in PS that you cant do in PSP. If you only strive to do the same thing than you will not grow. If you venture out into the unknown thats when u can sharpen your skills and go beyond what you ever expected. Photoshop is an amazing tool that takes time to learn just like with everything in life that needs refinement.

There is nothing that I can do in PS that I cant do with PSP.....sure PSP might take an extra step or two but in the end with the right addons what can be done in one can be done in the other

[GREGO]

I think it all depends on how much time you want to spend learning the program. I just started with PSP and can do pretty much whatever I want with it after only using it a few time.

PS on the other hand I have tried and tried to learn but just get annoyed by the big clunky crowded interface......as many have said before bigger is not always better and I have found nothing I cant do with PSP that others do on PS


ahhh but you only think you can do everything.. the limits of "everything" in terms of graphic design are uprooted and re planted when you learn to use photoshop. :)

[Greg-J]

Something else to keep in mind is the close integration between Photoshop, Imageready and Illustrator. When constantly pasting from Illustrator into PS or exporting from PS to Imageready and back, the integration is something that definitely adds value.

[minnseoelite]

ahhh but you only think you can do everything.. the limits of "everything" in terms of graphic design are uprooted and re planted when you learn to use photoshop. :)

That could be true as I am fairly new to the whole graphics thing but my girlfriend on the other had has been using PSP for 4 years now and whenever she see's a really cool image she likes and asks the owner and they say they used PS it usually takes her no more than an hour of trial and error to figure out how to do the same thing in PSP. Perhaps if someone could provide some examples of some stuff they think would be "impossible" to do in PSP......I am the seeing is believing type so unless I have 110% undeniable proof I wont believe anything.

[minnseoelite]

Something else to keep in mind is the close integration between Photoshop, Imageready and Illustrator. When constantly pasting from Illustrator into PS or exporting from PS to Imageready and back, the integration is something that definitely adds value.

Well that is one that I would admit is PS definatly has better integration between its tools than PSP and its partner software.

[Ajay]

This shouldn't even be debate. It is photoshop hands down.. I have been using it since version 4 or so... My girlfriend USED to use psp, then I introduced her to ps, and she is never going back. Photoshop's automation scripting is much better and the fact that it intergrates easily with illustrator, imageready, flash makes life easier. Psp is good if you're a casual user, making web graphics... but photoshop is the industry standard. And CS3 is an amazing release since I don't have to switch to image ready to animate anymore.... woo

[minnseoelite]

And see thats your opinion and others have theirs which is why this is a debate. Yes photoshop is the industry standard but that does not make it any better and using the additional programs to help justify photoshops superiority does not really count cause this is between PSP and PS not PSP vs PS,Imageready,CS3.........if PS requires the support of these programs to make it better then its obvious that PS itself is lacking and PSP is better

[GREGO]

You may be able to recreate things you do in photoshop in PSP sometimes but the fact of the matter is that in photoshop it's easy and fast, if you try to get the same effects in PSP of course it's possable but is it really as fast or easy as in photoshop?? remember time is money in the graphic design world.

[minnseoelite]

thank you that was the only point i was trying to make......as to your other comment if time is money in the graphic design world them maybe I should move to that full time cause i got more free time then i know what to do with $$$

[Mixi]

And see thats your opinion and others have theirs which is why this is a debate. Yes photoshop is the industry standard but that does not make it any better and using the additional programs to help justify photoshops superiority does not really count cause this is between PSP and PS not PSP vs PS,Imageready,CS3.........if PS requires the support of these programs to make it better then its obvious that PS itself is lacking and PSP is better


In comparisons to PSP - PS is not lacking anything. Those other programs are an additional bonus. Let me guess are u going to compare Imageready to Animation Shop lol. Have u even taken the time to learn about those programs? If you dont know the capabilities of it how can u compare?

Somebody else in the thread said so what if its an extra step or 2 or 3 lol. Time is money and an extra step multiplied by a thousand adds up to hours of wasted time. People in here are running sites based on masses of graphics. Thats funny to me cuz thats like psp selling technique being yes waste ur time on 2 to 3 extra steps and hours when photoshop can do it in 1/5 of the time.


Can psp do this
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BbHpgDxjJlY
no it cant and thats just 1 amazing feature.

The compression, the colors, the lack of animation control, the lack of compatibility with other major programs, the lack of scripting abilities that PS has. Man the scripting abilities is what sold me, if u dont know about them ur missing out. To a pro those are important things that PSP just does not have. If you are just making glitters than psp may just be okay. Yet to compare it to a proffesional program is just ridiculous.

P.S and when something is the industry standard its because "IT IS THE BEST" thats why its a standard lol glad we agree

[minnseoelite]

yes i could do that in PSP the only difference being I would have to use 3 seperate images to start with just like the other person said in the comments. And I think the colors are fine in PSP you can make any custom color your heart desires to use.

When I asked for an example of something PS could do that PSP cannot I was refering to the "end product" not the process of doing it.

For your last question yes I have used PS if this debate had been brought up a year ago I would have been all for PS but after using PSP and realizing I can do the same thing with a less crowded interface I never went back to PS....sorry but I am a big fan of clean, neat, non bloated interfaces and that is why I will continue to choose PSP over PS at least for now.

[dolcezza]

Ok, PS is more profesional but this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BbHpgDxjJlY
doesn't help me make myspace graphic and it's what this tread is about...

[Mixi]

Dolcezza: well we were talking about PS VS. PSP not if it can make glitter graphics thats obvious that it can. Its more about the advanced features and full capabilities of the programs and why one is far better than the other. cough "Photoshop"

MinnSEOelite: why do u say its cluttered its the same pallettes basically that psp has why dont u just close them if u dont want them shown? The whole deal is not just about the end product but the time consumed that is what makes it better. Why would u spend 6 hours doing something that can take like 10 min in photoshop. The process is what matters, Time is Money in business. Well to each one his own I personally dont like to waste time and that is why Im a PS junkie lol

[dolcezza]

Dolcezza: well we were talking about PS VS. PSP not if it can make glitter graphics thats obvious that it can. Its more about the advanced features and full capabilities of the programs and why one is far better than the other. cough "Photoshop"

and I agree with you about the features and that's why I use photoshop to make more advanced graphic, but for myspace resources as asked I use PSP because it's easier but gives the same result (for glitters only of course or easy layouts).

Of course I agree with "PS better" if you need a profesional program or for more advanced graphic site; I used both and I could see the difference for example for wallpapers or avatars or blends. But at the end everything depends on how you're used, how much you want to learn and what kind of graphic you want (for example I wouldn't suggest PS to a newbie :))

[Kasami2k4]

Well =p Corel took over Paintshop pro now, but to be completely honest, I liked it much better as Jasc. They did things MORE than just Corel. I LOVE PSP11 and photoshop for different reasons. PSP11 now saves things higher quality, which is great, and you can rotate brushes and have them 1000x1000 >< But photoshop has NICER brushes. I spent half the day converting my big, favorite photoshop brushes to PSP =D haha

The way I see it; stick with what you're used to, and what you're good at. I bought photoshop, but idk if it was worth 500$..

[Ajay]

and I agree with you about the features and that's why I use photoshop to make more advanced graphic, but for myspace resources as asked I use PSP because it's easier but gives the same result (for glitters only of course or easy layouts).

Of course I agree with "PS better" if you need a profesional program or for more advanced graphic site; I used both and I could see the difference for example for wallpapers or avatars or blends. But at the end everything depends on how you're used, how much you want to learn and what kind of graphic you want (for example I wouldn't suggest PS to a newbie :))

for myspace resources it is more efficient to use PS, especially CS3. You can make glitters way faster in PS if you know certain features. Plus, you can animate it in the same program... you need that silly animation shop with psp XI.. i can make a glitter in less than a fraction of a second, animated and saved to my hd (tagged too of course).

[Kasami2k4]

My glitters are way better in PSP And I've mastered both progs ._.

[mcx]

photoshop is really nice i use it all the time

[minnseoelite]

MinnSEOelite: why do u say its cluttered its the same pallettes basically that psp has why dont u just close them if u dont want them shown? The whole deal is not just about the end product but the time consumed that is what makes it better. Why would u spend 6 hours doing something that can take like 10 min in photoshop. The process is what matters, Time is Money in business. Well to each one his own I personally dont like to waste time and that is why Im a PS junkie lol

Actually it is about the end product what can be accomplished in the end....and the bottom line is they can both accomplish the same thing. There is really only two differences in the programs

1. PSP takes an extra step or two so slightly more time consuming
2. PS costs $600 more and does nothing that PSP cannot do

While you might be up for saving a few extra minutes I would rather save $600 to use for other things like promoting my sites :)

[Greg-J]

Actually it is about the end product what can be accomplished in the end....and the bottom line is they can both accomplish the same thing. There is really only two differences in the programs

1. PSP takes an extra step or two so slightly more time consuming
2. PS costs $600 more and does nothing that PSP cannot do

While you might be up for saving a few extra minutes I would rather save $600 to use for other things like promoting my sites :)

How much is your time worth?
Nobody pays $600 for Photoshop these days. (http://www.academicsuperstore.com/market/marketdisp.html?PartNo=731442)

I know both programs quite well, PS better than PSP obviously - and for a days worth of work I could save about a half hour per 8 - 10 hour day using PS over PSP. If I was still doing graphic design I would save around 10 hours a month using PS over PSP. Even if I was only looking to amortize the cost in a one month period I would only have to make $30 an hour to make the justification. About half to a third what most graphic designers make.

I realize there are a lot of holes in that argument, but the fact remains that if this is your job, a $300 price tag is hardly a point to make for one product over another.


It just boils down to which one you like more. I obviously prefer Photoshop.

[minnseoelite]

Yes I would agree each person has their own preferences, me I just like PSP interface and I am alot faster with it. My fiancee who has been doing graphics for with everything from layouts and glitters to tags and digital art can also do things in about half the time it takes here in PS and with better results......as you said time is money and neither of us have the time to spend days or weeks relearning another program

[free4myspace]

Jasc - Paint shop pro

Adobe - Photoshop

it's like comparing a Porsche with a wheelbarrow :)

[Selena]

I really personally like PSP better than PS for my own personal preference. Its obvious PS is better, but PSP is better for me to use. I know my way around it, I know tricks in it that would take me awhile in PS to figure out. PS is obviously better, but for the things I use it for, it actually has quite a few shortcuts that help me to do work very quickly.

[bradley]

I really personally like PSP better than PS for my own personal preference. Its obvious PS is better, but PSP is better for me to use. I know my way around it, I know tricks in it that would take me awhile in PS to figure out. PS is obviously better, but for the things I use it for, it actually has quite a few shortcuts that help me to do work very quickly.
Same way with me, except i dont understand ps much at all. ;]

[free4myspace]

Same way with me, except i dont understand ps much at all. ;]

I think you should try Macromedia fireworks

[bradley]

I think you should try Macromedia fireworks
Thats what i use in school, i know that pretty good to.

[BreannaHemsky]

I prefer using PSP8 for glitter graphics but Photoshop is my tool of choice when it comes to photos/layouts.