Windows Vista is a nightmare [Archive] - Webmaster Forum

mcfox

January 31st, 2007, 07:55 AM

I wrote a little bit about Windows Vista, entitled, Ghastly la Vista, baby (http://soapster.co.uk/2007/01/31/ghastly-la-vista-baby/) but to save you reading it you can go straight to the source:
A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection (http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html)

It's a bit techie but the basics are that Windows Vista is all about copy-protection and Digital Rights Management and nothing to do with enhanced user experience.

“I'm not sure how the company lost sight of what matters to our customers, both business and home, the most, but in my view we lost our way. I think our teams lost sight of what bug-free means, what resilience means, what full scenarios mean, what security means, what performance means, how important current applications are, and really understanding what the most important problems our customers face are ” — Jim Allchin, Platform Products and Services Group, Microsoft.

Tenche

January 31st, 2007, 08:23 AM

Yeah I had read about this earlyer. It was posted on a tracker I am on. Makes me laugh.

projectx

January 31st, 2007, 09:16 AM

offcourse it is windows

digitalninja

January 31st, 2007, 09:23 AM

I think it visually looks beautiful. I just installed it yesterday. So far a couple of drivers dont work but everything else seems fine so far. I will keep my fingers crossed.

mcfox

January 31st, 2007, 01:04 PM

Seriously, before you even think about Vista, read what you are giving over to M$
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

digitalninja

January 31st, 2007, 10:46 PM

It might be becuase i am very tired.....but i have no idea what that article is saying. Lol.
I will try reading it again later.

ashbernie311

January 31st, 2007, 10:57 PM

I love my new Mac...not to mention -oh hey, looks JUST LIKE MAC'S interface! I loved XP and I have two computers with Windows, but ugh for Vista.

mawt

February 1st, 2007, 01:06 AM

I love my new Mac...not to mention -oh hey, looks JUST LIKE MAC'S interface!

I agree. It does remind me of mac os.
Microsoft aren't being very original... haha

Jazzylee77

February 1st, 2007, 09:44 AM

"No, Steve, I think its more like we both have a rich neighbor named Xerox, and you broke in to steal the TV set, and you found out I'd been there first, and you said. "Hey that's no fair! I wanted to steal the TV set! - Bill Gates' response after Steve Jobs accused Microsoft of borrowing the GUI from Apple for Windows 1.0"

whatever...

icesar

February 1st, 2007, 10:12 AM

Makes me happy I switched to Mac early last year!

mcfox

February 1st, 2007, 11:07 AM

Kasami2k4

February 4th, 2007, 01:39 PM

lololololol

Yeah, Gates needs to be more original. Iv got XP but with Vista theme =p

mostwanted

February 4th, 2007, 03:30 PM

:online2long: I installed Vista the other day and for the life of me I couldn't get things working!! I finally after googleling for hours.. I found something that helped.. I couldn't install Vista because of my anti-virus/firewall was stopping it from doing so... so to all you guys updating to Vista, uninstall your Anti-Virus and Firewall!

Also if you have Outlook and it doesn't work after upgrading, uninstall it then reinstall it... you shouldn't loose anything (emails, settings etc.);)

Greg-J

February 4th, 2007, 06:37 PM

so... got DRM?

Claire

February 4th, 2007, 07:11 PM

is windows vista like the new windows xp or something? :)

xo

mcfox

February 4th, 2007, 10:26 PM

I couldn't install Vista because of my anti-virus/firewall was stopping it from doing so... so to all you guys updating to Vista, uninstall your Anti-Virus and Firewall!
You mean you tried to install an operating system over the top of antivirus? :rolleyes:

mcfox

February 4th, 2007, 10:28 PM

is windows vista like the new windows xp or something? :)

xo
Pretty much. It's the new version of the Windows operating system from Microsoft and five years in the making.

Greg-J

May 20th, 2007, 05:15 PM

I've been avoiding Vista like the plague but my wifes new laptop uses it. It only came with 512 megs and I'll tell you, I was cursing how slow it was for about two days. Turning off services, startup apps, anti-virus, the works. I found a gig I pulled out of my last laptop and low and behold it runs great now. So much so I decided to buy Vista for my new machine.

I'm curious though, before I actually upgrade, how has your Vista experience been since mcfox? Anything new to report?

miller2348

May 20th, 2007, 05:25 PM

One question about your wifes, do you have Aero enabled? I don't think you can with 512 but if you do have it enabled you should disable it with that little bit. Even with 1gb I'd still disable it.

As for other tips, see here: http://www.petri.co.il/tweaking_window_vista_performance.htm

NYCBORN

May 20th, 2007, 05:36 PM

Greg-J

May 20th, 2007, 05:40 PM

I have been using Vista X64 Enterprise Edition since December since my company got a direct download for having Software Assurance on our XP Licenses(We only paid $5 for XP beat that.) and it's not bad at all.

I have some issues with Sonicwall VPN Client not working it seems VPN Clients in general aren't supported very well. Photoshop CS3 didn't install for me but I know there are some workarounds. It's more stable than XP and runs smoother. It is a memory hog but I disabled all the visual extras and it seems to handle memory better than XP believe it or not. I get memory leaks up the *** in XP but Vista seems a little better at that.

MacOS of course I feel is better but software still is lacking on Mac. I can also build a more powerful pc for half the 1/3 of the price of a comparable Mac. MacOS also is a memory hog.
Precisely why I built this one. I was going to get a macpro but was able to get a much better configuration just building it.

The first thing I did was disable all the visual effects on my wifes laptop though. It still has the pretty interface, but all the fluff was turned off.

I'm a little concerned with PS3 not installing though. If PS3, AI3 and DW3 don't all install and run well I have no use for Vista...

NYCBORN

May 20th, 2007, 05:44 PM

Precisely why I built this one. I was going to get a macpro but was able to get a much better configuration just building it.

The first thing I did was disable all the visual effects on my wifes laptop though. It still has the pretty interface, but all the fluff was turned off.

I'm a little concerned with PS3 not installing though. If PS3, AI3 and DW3 don't all install and run well I have no use for Vista...

I haven't got it to work but I haven't tried any of the work arounds yet. There are plenty of complaints about CS3 apps not installing correctly without some work on Vista.

Ajay

May 20th, 2007, 06:00 PM

i've been using vista premium for the last two months, since it came bundled with a new pc. So far the only problem i had was driver compatibility with a ****ty usb, wireless network adapter.

I have ps cs3 extended, ai cs3 and 3ds max installed and working fine. even have psp 7.0 installed and running fine.

on the gaming side.. runs wow, all settings on high at 55-60fps

uptime has been great around 3 weeks so far without any problems.

After turning of stupid stuff like the sidebar and dumbing down the visual effects, it's not that bad.

even set ie7 as my default browser since my ff seems to hog a lot of memory when i just leave it idle :/

I would love to get a mac but they're so f'n expensive and suck for gaming.

mcfox

May 21st, 2007, 12:55 AM

I'm curious though, before I actually upgrade, how has your Vista experience been since mcfox? Anything new to report?
I don't have a Vista experience and do not plan on having one any time soon, if at all. Should M$ decide to discontinue support for XP then I'm going to have to consider discontinuing M$ as the main operating system and put an Open Source operating system such as Ubuntu facing the internet and partition off a working windows environment - or buy a Mac instead.

I strongly urge people to read this from top to bottom, including the footnotes.
A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection (http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html) - it lays it all out exactly what Windows Vista can do, for example, disabling any drivers during a security alert. Think about that for a minute - your operating system will actively prevent necessary drivers from running so you would lose your monitor, sound, printer, etc. etc. ... without warning and without notice. Not to mention these things are yours to run, and you shouldn't be surrendering control of your PC to the OS. Imagine waking up one morning, switching on your computer because you have a ton of important work to get through to meet deadlines and the damn thing won't work - because the OS won't let it?! F*** that!

How about Scott Finnie, the resident Windows expert at ComputerWorld (http://www.computerworld.com/index.jsp) who tested Vista right through it's development dumped Windows and moved to a Mac (http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9010759&pageNumber=1)!

minnseoelite

May 21st, 2007, 02:11 AM

I would not install windows vista even if i had it for free.....wait i do have it for free i got the install disk for Vista Premium that came with my gf's laptop sitting on the top shelf of my closet and thats right where its going to stay lol

rob2007

May 21st, 2007, 04:51 AM

Lol I Got Visdta With My New Comp A Few Days Ago, Am Just Wwwooorrriiieeedd Now Lol

Dean

May 21st, 2007, 05:50 AM

Meh im completely against the whole "Microsoft Haters".. Soo boring now lol.

It just seems the same as when XP came out!? .. All the internet users (who were sitting using their Windows 98 OS and MES) just started the whole "whats going on with MS" and "Im never upgrading till they do this and that". Now theyre on their XP OS but perhaps with FF saying the same things.

Face it, to me whilst Mac is improving there is no other better alternative. Yes, some other systems work better in some areas and one of them has better protection in another but there is an overall reason that MS has the huge market share. Its better.

And, in my honest opinion using Vista is easily the best Windows system out there for me. I dont know what data theyre trying to protect or the technical side but just simply from getting a new laptop, installing my software and drivers and then using the laptop to do my graphic, web design and personal business its been the best experience I have had.

No problems, just extras and ease of use i didnt have in XP.

Stop moaning and joooooin us lol :)

Dean

mcfox

May 21st, 2007, 07:08 AM

Meh im completely against the whole "Microsoft Haters".. Soo boring now lol.
It's also boring when legitimate criticism is dismissed as "Microsoft hating". Quite the contrary, actually. In the run up to the release of Vista I upgraded my machine to be able to run Vista 'as soon as' - I was looking forward to it's release. I was then stopped in my tracks when I discovered that Vista had and still has, the capability to shut down your business, dead, at the flick of a switch in effect.

Say you are running a $1,000,000 per year business and you move your Operating System from XP to Vista, then a security alert is issued over one of the drivers or the ability of a malformed .jpg to gain privileges on your machine. The history of computing has demonstrated time and again that this type of event will happen.

Part of the 'tech stuff' you're not too keen on learning about is that Windows Vista has the capability to shut down all affected processes until a fix is released. History has taught us that this can take some time. So, your $1,000,000 per year business is effectively shut down by your new operating system until such time as the fix is released. Your business is dependent on your computers but they won't run the software you need to deliver your product. What are you to do? Why should your operating system decide whether your computer works or not? It's your computer, not Microsoft's!

And, in my honest opinion using Vista is easily the best Windows system out there for me. I dont know what data theyre trying to protect or the technical side
Perhaps then, you should take the time to find out more about the technical stuff before you come out with the "Microsoft haters" nonsense?

Cyclops

May 21st, 2007, 07:23 AM

Never looked at it that way mcfox but even though I didn't have any intention of going with Vista in the near future what you just said puts me off completely. I'm a sharetrader and if my computer goes down at the wrong time it would be a disaster for me.
If I went to Vista I would have to have a backup PC on hand permanently with all my programs on both ... what a waste of resources that would be.

It's not about being Microsoft haters (stupid word and totally bad english btw) it's about being practical, which Microsoft obviously isn't.

digitalxguilt

May 21st, 2007, 07:48 AM

my boyfriend had vista install on his macbook pro a while back but i think he got annoyed with is so he removed it. the black theme was too dark. but some of the wallpapers looked rather pleasent. he has his macbook so mac and windows are both installed on the harddrive.

He bought me, my own copy of windows media center and it had a free vista upgrade with it but we havent installed it. I dont think we ever will.

I dont like the way Vista looks. and the fact that people are saying not every program and/or periperhal works with it and its 'buggy' so yeah. I'm sticking with my media center desktop for the time being...

I'm looking at getting at macbook pro tho - just have to wait for the ideal financial situation to come along. since macs dont seem to get viruses and my bf said you can bypass the copyright protection on dvds - I'd never do that tho since I download my movies anyway. and it seems to run a whole lot smoother than windows. You have neat little programs like photo booth too.

pimpyourdino

May 21st, 2007, 10:10 AM

Lol I have a mac and absolutely love it I have a windows laptop and dont even use it anymore. And plus windows jus copies macs ideas :-/

mcfox

May 21st, 2007, 01:08 PM

Never looked at it that way mcfox but even though I didn't have any intention of going with Vista in the near future what you just said puts me off completely. I'm a sharetrader and if my computer goes down at the wrong time it would be a disaster for me.
Actually, what concerns me just as much as Microsoft issuing a 'security driver shutdown' or whatever is that someone else works out a way to do it. Imagine the scenario if that ever happened?! Anyone remember when Symantec's autoupdater was hijacked to download trojans? Or the recent hijacking of Windows autoupdater?

Then of course, there is always the looming prospect that Microsoft might issue the command to your Vista operating system not to run your Adobe software because of a 'critical security flaw' in Adobe Reader, for example.

For me, Vista takes away the option for the end-user, the computer owner, about whether to continue to run their computers or not and that is something I am simply not prepared to hand over.

It will of course be said that Microsoft will never issue the command to stop running 'insecure drivers' but if that is the case, why build it into the heart of the operating system?

If I went to Vista I would have to have a backup PC on hand permanently with all my programs on both ... what a waste of resources that would be.
Precisely. It would also have to be on a non-Vista computer.

minnseoelite

May 21st, 2007, 01:11 PM

As long as Vista has that kind of control then its a big NO for me. I don't care about the security because I am a smart user and always have updated anti-virus, anti-spyware, and firewall installed as well as a dedicated rootkit scanner and trojan scanner which I can run on demand if I think my PC is acting funny and that the anti-virus might be missing something.

Second I am a power user so all the extra eye candy would be turned off anyways. Hell I run my XP system with the windows classic theme. I also do alot of tweaking with the windows sub system such as forcing windows to use all available RAM before paging, forcing windows to keep the system kernal in memory and alot of other stuff that I am sure would cause Vista to throw a fit and shut itself down.

Greg-J

May 21st, 2007, 01:14 PM

Being that we have more machines in the office than we need I'm going to make the plunge anyway. So far I really like what I see from Vista and speculation isn't enough to dissuade me. I know all the things my car can do, but it doesn't keep me from driving it. As much as I prefer OSX over Windows, I need the power for my current rig for computing and with everything important on our office server I'm not overly concerned with a little downtime on my desktop.

I'm not so confident in upgrading from XP though, so we'll see how that goes.

minnseoelite

May 21st, 2007, 01:26 PM

I'm not so confident in upgrading from XP though, so we'll see how that goes.

Make sure you run this little tool first. I have heard of people going through "Vista Hell" when trying to upgrade from XP to Vista because they did not run this first even though there PC's where supposed to be Vista Capable or Vista Ready.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/buyorupgrade/upgradeadvisor.mspx?wt_svl=10008VHa1&mg_id=10008VHb1

Greg-J

May 21st, 2007, 01:38 PM

I ran it and all it told me was I needed a new driver for my wifi - which I don't use on my desktop anyway. My version of Alcohol 120% won't run in Vista so I need to get an updated version.

Other than that, it says I'm good :s

Kasami2k4

May 21st, 2007, 01:43 PM

Yeahh, I've been whining at my friend for switching to vista since she got it. It doesn't seem to offer anything 'new'

At least it's pretty -_-

minnseoelite

May 21st, 2007, 01:55 PM

My version of Alcohol 120% won't run in Vista s

lol i have not heard that program mentioned for awhile now....speaking of which i need to dust off my copy as well

nsmchris

May 21st, 2007, 01:56 PM

I run Vista Business on my laptop. Some of the Macromedia 8 products have to be run in XP mode for them to work (causes the black screen flash on startup/exiting the app). Also, I've had 2 other applications where the registration key wouldn't work with Vista. I had to get tech support to give me a work around to authenticate the programs. Outlook crashes more than normal. Other than that, all seems to work well. I also have a ton a RAM, so that helps.

Chris...

Kasami2k4

May 21st, 2007, 02:02 PM

I wanna stab vista ._.

Greg-J

May 21st, 2007, 02:05 PM

lol i have not heard that program mentioned for awhile now....speaking of which i need to dust off my copy as well
I keep everything archived in ISO or IMG, so it's a must for me. I'd much rather Windows adopt some sort of DMG equivalent spec, but that's just wishful thinking I'm sure.

Vista Ultimate does actually offer quite a few new tools. I'm pretty keen on bit locker and the new search is appreciably faster and more appealing than anything previously offered, including Google Desktop. And I do enjoy Aero enough to make it a selling feature.

Time will tell. I'll likely be cursing Vista later this week so stay tuned.

George

May 21st, 2007, 02:35 PM

Gotta agree with Dean a bit. I mean there are decent points made by mcfox, no taking away from that at all. But the mere passion with which you (mcfox) are attacking this issue rather than letting the facts you laid out speak for themselves speaks for itself.

Not to mention the signature Microsoft hater move using the "M$" dollar sign deal to describe Microsoft.

So yes there actually is a bit of hating going on here especially from the one liner, yeah me too crowd...

Fact is dean brought up other good points that were glossed over focusing on the hater part. Microsoft does have the vast majority of the marketshare for a reason. And all the accusations of Microsoft just stealing everything from Apple sounds like pure fanboy speak straight off of digg threads.

Truth of the matter is that after Microsoft took the original PC idea from Apple (and made it a million times better by the way) it's Apple who has been following along like a puppy dog trying to get everyone to believe they are just as good as Microsoft and can do everything Windows can. They have failed miserably in that attempt....... I don't need rhetoric or eloquently spun marketing speak to prove that. Simply look at market share. You can't spin marketshare that has remained at quite a large gap since the dawn of the first Windows PC.... If OSX or Apple computers in general were better they would have taken over the majority marketshare by now. What's it been like 15 years now??

Bottom line: If you need to use, as a major marketing point, -- the fact that you can emulate software that runs natively on your competitors OS, or the fact that your OS will happily run alongside your competitors OS and you can even dual boot because we know you'll need to use our competitors OS, you have a problem.

</rant>

All fanboyisms aside and back on topic, this is just a repeat of the XP release which is now beloved by most all Windows users. Just change the channel and change back in a year or so and and you'll see veryone happily chugging along running Vista. Microsoft isn't stupid. All the problems and bugs people are running into will be fixed and eventually people will stop having things to complain about. Just like it happened with XP....

To all the doomsday predictors of Microsoft's demise because of problems with the INITIAL major release of a NEW software version: Deep down inside you know your threats of never using Vista will have about as much affect as all the clowns who didn't pump gas on boycott day. Go on, admit you know it's true. You'll feel better ;)

icfire

May 21st, 2007, 02:50 PM

Face it, to me whilst Mac is improving there is no other better alternative. Yes, some other systems work better in some areas and one of them has better protection in another but there is an overall reason that MS has the huge market share. Its better.

Not true. Bill Gates is just an amazing businessman, but he does not have the best OS (or didn't at the start). He could sell ice to an Eskimo.

Truth of the matter is that after Microsoft took the original PC idea from Apple (and made it a million times better by the way) it's Apple who has been following along like a puppy dog trying to get everyone to believe they are just as good as Microsoft and can do everything Windows can. They have failed miserably in that attempt....... I don't need rhetoric or eloquently spun marketing speak to prove that. Simply look at market share. You can't spin marketshare that has remained at quite a large gap since the dawn of the first Windows PC.... If OSX or Apple computers in general were better they would have taken over the majority marketshare by now. What's it been like 15 years now??

Apples OS could have very well been better then microsofts. Why didn't it sell as much? Because they forced people to buy their computers with the OS. THAT is the reason they are behind microsoft, not because the OS is worse. Now since the gap is so large, they cannot come back.

Kasami2k4

May 21st, 2007, 02:59 PM

Id buy a mac, but they're too expensive and not AS compatible as PCs :\ I mean FFS you cant even use open canvas on a mac x.x And that's a vital program to my drawing :(

George

May 21st, 2007, 03:09 PM

Apples OS could have very well been better then microsofts. Why didn't it sell as much? Because they forced people to buy their computers with the OS. THAT is the reason they are behind microsoft, not because the OS is worse. Now since the gap is so large, they cannot come back.
Wait, so MACs are shipping with Windows now?? Have they ever??

lol

Kasami2k4

May 21st, 2007, 03:10 PM

Hell, they're usin intel chips now too x.x

Still too expensive

Greg-J

May 21st, 2007, 03:20 PM

Wait, so MACs are shipping with Windows now?? Have they ever??

lol
They are shipping with Windows here...

George

May 21st, 2007, 03:35 PM

Whoa that's a new one to me. So htey ship with Windows instead of their own OS that they argue is far superior because..... ?

Kasami2k4

May 21st, 2007, 03:37 PM

Windows is more user friendly still :\ And more compatible. But macs outperform, no doubt about that.

mcfox

May 21st, 2007, 03:40 PM

Gotta agree with Dean a bit. I mean there are decent points made by mcfox, no taking away from that at all. But the mere passion with which you (mcfox) are attacking this issue rather than letting the facts you laid out speak for themselves speaks for itself.
The 'passion' says what, exactly? That I do not wish to pass complete control of my PC over to the whether M$ says I can or cannot run the software of my choosing? Sure, that's exactly why I'm not switching to Vista. That I'm disappointed? Yes, I am.
Not to mention the signature Microsoft hater move using the "M$" dollar sign deal to describe Microsoft.
Well, there ya go! All this time I've always thought "M$" was simple shorthand and now I discover instead it is secret code for "I hate Microsoft" - I must have been secretly initiated into the club without being aware of it.
Truth of the matter is that after Microsoft took the original PC idea from Apple (and made it a million times better by the way)
Only sold it better.
this is just a repeat of the XP release
When you release a product that makes even the most dedicated of Windows users look for an alternative then you know it's a bad move - unless that is your intention. I mean, who on earth wants to retrain staff or embark on a steep individual learning curve when they have so many other things to do? This isn't a step to be considered lightly but it must be considered and it's being forced on people by Vista.

All I require of a computer is that it works well and lets me accomplish the tasks I require. I've been using Windows since v3 (DOS before that), however, an Operating System that takes away my choice about what software I do or do not run on my machine is not something I want to have on my PC. That position is a complete turnaround for me - a full 180 degrees - I wanted Vista and updated all of my hardware in anticipation of buying it as soon as it became available. I stopped dead in my tracks and completely reversed my decision after becoming aware of just how much control I was passing to M$. <<-- shorthand

Just change the channel and change back in a year or so and and you'll see veryone happily chugging along running Vista. Microsoft isn't stupid. All the problems and bugs people are running into will be fixed and eventually people will stop having things to complain about. Just like it happened with XP....
No, entirely different beast. Seriously, would you / will you trust your business to an operating system that can turn you off at the flick of a switch completely, outwith your control?

George

May 21st, 2007, 03:40 PM

In what exactly?

George

May 21st, 2007, 03:53 PM

The 'passion' says what, exactly? That I do not wish to pass complete control of my PC over to the whether M$ says I can or cannot run the software of my choosing? Sure, that's exactly why I'm not switching to Vista. That I'm disappointed? Yes, I am.

Well, there ya go! All this time I've always thought "M$" was simple shorthand and now I discover instead it is secret code for "I hate Microsoft" - I must have been secretly initiated into the club without being aware of it.

Only sold it better.

When you release a product that makes even the most dedicated of Windows users look for an alternative then you know it's a bad move - unless that is your intention. I mean, who on earth wants to retrain staff or embark on a steep individual learning curve when they have so many other things to do? This isn't a step to be considered lightly but it must be considered and it's being forced on people by Vista.

All I require of a computer is that it works well and lets me accomplish the tasks I require. I've been using Windows since v3 (DOS before that), however, an Operating System that takes away my choice about what software I do or do not run on my machine is not something I want to have on my PC. That position is a complete turnaround for me - a full 180 degrees - I wanted Vista and updated all of my hardware in anticipation of buying it as soon as it became available. I stopped dead in my tracks and completely reversed my decision after becoming aware of just how much control I was passing to M$. <<-- shorthand

No, entirely different beast. Seriously, would you / will you trust your business to an operating system that can turn you off at the flick of a switch completely, outwith your control?I call em like I see em. Or did you not know the $ in M$ was a cheap shot aimed at making it look like Microsoft is just a greedy corporation whos all out for the dollar? (like that's not what all companies do) Of course all companies are out for the all mighty dollar but that doesn't mean they dont make great products.

As for the rest of your comments all I'm saying is Microsoft will fix these issues just like they did in XP and that this is all familiar to me as I watched it happen when XP released. Sure the problems are bigger and seem more sinister this time but that's probably because this is a bigger release with more scrutiny than before. The bigger they get the bigger a target they will be.

Your concerns are one thing but I'm just pointing out that you're giving up a bit prematurely especially based on Microsoft's history for screwing up releases then slowly releasing "patches", "hotfixes" and of course outright covert upgrades via windows update. Enough people complain (which plenty already have so this is a mute point) and they will make the changes and the major issues will likely go away in the next windowsupdate push.

So I guess in the end we'll just see won't we? But then... what will you complain about then? I'm sure you'll find something if you look hard enough :)

By the way did you know most of those security safeguards are present in XP SP2? Read up on it ;) How do you think Microsoft pulled off the pirated software warnings in XP? This stuff has been in the wild since Vista was longhorn.

P.S.

MS <-- shorthand
M$ <-- not shorthand.

minnseoelite

May 21st, 2007, 03:55 PM

If your a power user or a tweaker you will loath the thought of someday having to switch to Vista. Sure Vista manages available memory better out of the box then XP does but you can easily force XP to manage it just as well if not better than Vista while at the same time XP does not consume near as much memory which means with 2 simple tweaks you can have XP managing your systems memory better than Vista while having more memory available to use which means a faster better experience.

mcfox

May 21st, 2007, 04:27 PM

Or did you not know the $ in M$ was a cheap shot aimed at making it look like Microsoft is just a greedy corporation whos all out for the dollar?
I guess it depends on your perspective - to me, the $ sign in M$ was a reference to the worth of the company and it's American roots.
As for the rest of your comments all I'm saying is Microsoft will fix these issues just like they did in XP and that this is all familiar to me as I watched it happen when XP released.
I know exactly what happened when XP was released.
Sure the problems are bigger and seem more sinister this time but that's probably because this is a bigger release with more scrutiny than before.
No, you're missing the direction M$ is moving. I'll leave you to figure that one out for yourself. ;)
So I guess in the end we'll just see won't we? But then... what will you complain about then? I'm sure you'll find something if you look hard enough
What's with the not-so-veiled insults?

Mixi

May 21st, 2007, 06:37 PM

Do any of you know why in Vista in the preview tool the gifs dont show animated? I've been looking for a fix for that and havent had any luck.

Greg-J

May 22nd, 2007, 01:14 AM

The term "Power User" is becoming redefined. The need to perform every tweak, registry edit and optimization known to man is becoming less important with the advancement in both hardware and software. Being a power user now doesn't mean nearly what it did 5, even 2 years ago. I used to overclock my PC's within MHz of frying, disable every onboard device I wasn't using, perform every reg edit and "hack" I knew - all to squeeze performance out of a box. But now, it's just not necessary. My main PC has 4 cores and 4GB or ram (3.12 addressable) and while this may be the latest and greatest now, machines like this will become commonplace as low level models in a few years time. Once drivers start maturing and people start moving to 64 bit versions of XP and Vista, effective memory management will become a non-issue. I'm not arguing this is a good thing, but it will happen just as faster hardware has allowed us to write much less efficient code just because have cycles to burn now.