Is tagging so difficult???

[fryman]

I keep seeing people whining about how difficult it is to tag some images... but I don't see what the fuss is about. Someone said that he takes hours taking a set... I mean really, what do you do???

If you use the place image option in imageready and set up a simple action then it takes a few seconds to to tag a gif. I just tagged the 200 images Izzy sent me and it took about 3 minutes. I use the tag in the lower right corner, but you can put it wherever you want.

Now someone even wants to charge the group buyers just to tag images. Lol, I'll do it for half the money dudes! Takes me a couple of keystrokes to do it!


http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/3497/7vz9.gif

[Selena]

some of them don't know the technique that makes it easy.
some of them place the tag into the 3 frames of glitter at 3 separate times...not all at once as i do...
i can tag 200 in about 3 minutes as well in animation shop.

[fryman]

wow, putting the tag manually in the 3 frames... I would go crazy if I did that!

[Helios]

Yeah I never really understood why people made such an issue about that myself.
I batch tag all my stuff, and if I'm doing a large set (500-1000++ images) I go and
have lunch or something. Charging for an automated task seems a little ridiculous.

[Selena]

not everyone has imageready....but animation shop does it even manually VERY quickly...takes almost NO effort at all. gets kinda annoying after a couple minutes if you have a lot, but still so easy and not worth even a buck.

[Precious]

I don't think tagging is hard, but with animation shop, it's annoying. The only way I know how is doing each glitter individually... :-/

[MKInfo]

Ok then lets have a tutorial if it's that easy.I use animation shop for gifs but do them one by one with the propagate paste thingy.
I got a pack the other day in png format with a how to tag text file and can't do a damn thing with it as haven't got Photoshop :( ....waste of money

[Andria]

Now someone even wants to charge the group buyers just to tag images. Lol, I'll do it for half the money dudes! Takes me a couple of keystrokes to do it!


I hope that's not refering to me, because I was ASKED to tag images for people and suggested it to others who can't do it themselves. And 10 cents per image is insanely cheap, most ppl charge 2-3 bucks for it, and it's their right to do so. And if it's so easy to you, why not do it free? Why say half the price? whats two minutes out of your time since you can do it that fast? Why charge someone for such a speedy process?

For a group buy tagging over 400 images for 40 different domains does take alot of work, maybe if you have nothing to do all day, everday, it's easy but when you have a job, school, boyfriend/girlfriend, etc. it takes alot of effort. Besides who in their right mind would want to do that for free?

Not everyone knows the easiest steps to tag, especially when you get PSD images instead of .gifs

And for the record, i tag graphics manually, that's why i always charge extra for tagging.

[Breanna]

It isn't difficult, it is kind of time consuming depending on how many frames the glitter has.

[Izzy]

Hmm I need imageready. Animation shop I use the propogate tool, still takes a while though.

[Jazzylee77]

I just realized I have imageready...duh. It's that program I accidentally open now and then instead of photoshop. I suppose I can do this after all. New programs used to be fun...

[TripleX]

i use animation shop now
its allot faster than image ready.
before i would use photoshop to edit the tag layer,
that did take an hour per set.

now only a few minutes per set.....
thats why i have ajusted my rates, and now allow up to 5 domains per set order.

you also have to look at it from the designers point of view

say you sell a set of 25 images and the first person wants 5 domains tagged, now you have 125 images to tag, instead of the original 25.

people charge for thier time.
time is money.


125 tagged in animationshop prolly takes 15-20 minutes

[fryman]

10 cents per image is insanely cheap... lol...


Yeah, specially when you can do it with a couple of keystrokes.

say you sell a set of 25 images and the first person wants 5 domains tagged, now you have 125 images to tag, instead of the original 25.

So what? He can want 100 domains tagged, so what? You have the original tag in PSD format, all you have to do is change the domain and use it. Would take like what? 2 seconds to type the new domain?

[Jazzylee77]

I always have trouble finding "w" on the keyboard. Oooh I know, I can label it. Oh wait...it already is.

[Helios]

Why don't you guys just include it in the price.

If you're only gonna charge 10c per tag anyways, why not make your package of
glitters cost X plus a few dollars. By just adding in a few dollars more for the
package, you'd be easily making an extra hundred bucks for leaving your
computer to sit and do an automated task for an afternoon.

And I doubt people would really complain or even notice that price increase,
and they'd be happy to think that they're get the tagging included or for "free".

[TripleX]

So what? He can want 100 domains tagged, so what? You have the original tag in PSD format, all you have to do is change the domain and use it. Would take like what? 2 seconds to type the new domain?
in photoshop its allot more than 2 seconds to change a domain

after you change the domain
you save the psd
save for the web
al of them because its animated.
and animate them

i do include tagging in the price.

fryman mr. freaking attitude, would you tag 100 images free?
No? i didnt think so

when you sell glitter packs to 20 people and each person wants 5 domains tagged
you tell me how time consuming it is....

your right in the fact that tagging for 1 site takes 3-4 minutes multiply that times 5 your looking at 15-20 minutes per customer.
so whats an extra couple bucks

[omen]

G'day,

Would you please give me a brief rundown on how to do this in Imageready? I'm in Imageready now, and I can't find anything about paste image, propogate paste, or any such thing.

[Andria]

10 cents per image is insanely cheap... lol...


Yeah, specially when you can do it with a couple of keystrokes.



So what? He can want 100 domains tagged, so what? You have the original tag in PSD format, all you have to do is change the domain and use it. Would take like what? 2 seconds to type the new domain?
Might be a few keystrokes for you, not for other people. Not everyone does everything the way you do, so stop knocking ppl because of it.

If tagging is so incrediblly easily then the designers shouldn't have to tag them, the buyers should. It's extra work reguardless of how simple it is, so yes a designer should get paid for the extra work.

And Helios, i''m not sure what kind of automated tagging system you use but I do mine manually. So it's not me making extra money to let my computer do the work for me.

[quickbeam]

G'day,

Would you please give me a brief rundown on how to do this in Imageready? I'm in Imageready now, and I can't find anything about paste image, propogate paste, or any such thing.

You are looking for the "Place" command and it is located in the File menu

[omen]

Thanks for that quickbeam, working a treat. One extra question though. If I opened 100 images and they were all in their own window in Imageready, how can I get it to apply the place image across every opened image.

Hope that made sense.

[quickbeam]

Look up "actions" in the help. You will learn how to automate the task

[omen]

I worked it out, theres a great guide here for anyone else wishing to watermark all their images.

http://www.photosig.com/articles/1514/article;jsessionid=aUlmtbn5Npx_5RjN1Z

Explains it very well.

[Izzy]

^ Thanks. I'm going to look it up lol.


Edit:// I'm still so confused about imageready lol.

[Precious]

I'm sorry but I have to agree with everything Andria and Triplex said. It may be easy for some, but for others - it's not. And regardless of if it being easy, hard, fast, slow - whatever. I think they should be paid for that extra work. And if not, and its soo easy and fast to do, then maybe the buyers should tag themselves? I think it's very generous of the designers to even offer tagging.

I'm not trying to sound mean or rude towards anyone, but i think you have to look at it from everyone's point of view.

[fryman]

Sure you should be paid for extra work...when it is work
Tagging? Please, I already showed how you can do it in a few seconds. Charging for that is a ripoff

[TripleX]

i see one person that is making a stink about it.......

You




3 pages and this is still going on... wow...

[fryman]

lol, since you are the one that whines the most about what a terrible amount of work tagging is and how difficult it is I understand your frustration... might want to learn a bit about photoshop and similar programs...


Ahahahahaha... just found this

http://www.msrs.net/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=18

How lame!!!!!!!

hahahahahaha 3 hours to tag some images....

[Precious]

Sure you should be paid for extra work...when it is work
Tagging? Please, I already showed how you can do it in a few seconds. Charging for that is a ripoff
But that doens't work for everyone. I use Animation Shop because I cannot afford ImageReady, nor do i understand how it works. And in Animation shop you have to do every single glitter indiviually/manually.

i see one person that is making a stink about it.......
You

Wait, who?

[fryman]

Photoshop is the standard for almost any design program, so I would bet that any other decent program has some sort of similar option. I have no idea of how animation shop works, but maybe someone here can let us know about which would that option be

[TripleX]

http://www.msrs.net/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=18

How lame!!!!!!!

hahahahahaha 3 hours to tag some images....

what do you want me to put 30 minutes......?
if im not home when the order comes in....
and 30 minutes goes by.......... well then i just lied huh......
3 hours or less....
no biggie.............

your just looking for rthings to pick apart....
just get your images untagged and forget about it

[TripleX]

Wait, who?
i didn't start this thread *****ing did i?

[Izzy]

o.o Calm down, this is tagging lol!
I'm still really confused on how this works :s

[Helios]

The tagging! It's tearing us apart! :P

Selena, you seem to have a good method in animation shop for tagging
effectively...maybe you could write up a quick tutorial here for those still learning?
I'd write up the tutorial myself, but I've never even installed it before.

Again, I think people should get paid for their time (even if that means including
tagging in the price), but it really is a super easy task. Saying that it takes
any more than a few minutes to tag a batch of images is just ridiculous.
Even if you were having to do it manually...keyboard shortcuts are your friend!

[deep]

can anyone give me a quick guide how to automate tag in imageready??

[Izzy]

^ Same haha, I'm really slow at the moment.


Selena, for AS3, do you do propogate paste?

[deep]

for those people who keep saying its easy and they could do it in few mins, plzz show me a small tutorial on how to do it in imageready or just point me to the function that does it, and i can do the rest.

[Andria]

^ Same haha, I'm really slow at the moment.


Selena, for AS3, do you do propogate paste?
I asked her on YIM, she said she doesn't think there's a way to do it in AS.

I don't use image ready, I only use AS.

[fryman]

deep, there is already a tutorial on this thread and it is very good, take a look at it and if you get stuck let me know

[Precious]

i didn't start this thread *****ing did i?

Woahh... What's that attitude for? I was asking who you were refering to when you said

i see one person that is making a stink about it.......

You

[Andria]

There is no option for animation shop like image ready.

So yeah i'm sure it's easy to have an automated tagging program but those of us who don't have it actually put work into it.

[Helios]

I just downloaded animation shop to see what all the fuss was about...I honestly
don't know how you guys get by. I guess simplicity is good, I just couldn't stand
not having certain imageready features and time-saving actions.

[mawt]

I just don't tag full stop. I didn't know the short cuts. lol.

[Andria]

I just downloaded animation shop to see what all the fuss was about...I honestly
don't know how you guys get by. I guess simplicity is good, I just couldn't stand
not having certain imageready features and time-saving actions.
Basically with Animation shop you have to put the tag in each frame manually. Now, it's really hard to get the tag to be in the exact same spot on both frames, so most of the time the tag will move sideways or up and down, and you have to sit there until you get the tag jut right on both frames.

It's a pain in the butt....

[worlddom]

I'm a part of a couple of the group buys and at the moment it is costing me almost as much to buy these glitters with my contribution and then pay to get them tagged, as it would cost to just buy direct. It's hassle I don't need.

I would suggest that any designer contributing to the group buys learns how to do this quickly and then provides a price inclusive of tagging. I don't have these software packages and don't plan to buy them, I'm just looking for content.

[Izzy]

Basically with Animation shop you have to put the tag in each frame manually. Now, it's really hard to get the tag to be in the exact same spot on both frames, so most of the time the tag will move sideways or up and down, and you have to sit there until you get the tag jut right on both frames.

It's a pain in the butt....
Propogate tool is much easier.

Get the tagged file up, then copy and then propogate paste it.
Select all on the frames (glitter) (ctrl+a) & then paste into frame (tag) and it will appear on both.

[Maz]

I propagate paste in Animation Shop. It's quicker than doing it in each frame manually but still time consuming, especially when you have a lot of images that need tagging for more than one domain.
I also choose where I'm placing each tag because if where you put it is entirely transparent (such as the bottom-right corner) people can easily erase it.


Fryman, you need to understand that not everyone has ImageReady, or understands how to use it. Nor can they afford to take the time to do the tagging and not charge for it.
Instead of making multiple threads about it, why don't you just order graphics without tagging and leave the designers be.

[Izzy]

Alrightie, I managed to set up the action thing, but still takes more than 3 minutes to do everything lol (saving..etc)..... what, so are you sayin everything can be automatic for you? :|

[Selena]

Ok, to make EVERYTHING easy for everyone, someone write me a tagging tutorial for imageready, and i'll make a sticky about it, along with my easy, 10 seconds or less per graphic tutorial with animation shop. Sound fair to everyone?

And honestly, to avoid the price issue, if your going to charge $1 extra for tagging, just build it into the original price, no one will know and you'll be satisfied.

[MKInfo]

Ok, to make EVERYTHING easy for everyone, someone write me a tagging tutorial for imageready, and i'll make a sticky about it, along with my easy, 10 seconds or less per graphic tutorial with animation shop. Sound fair to everyone?

Thats the best idea I've heard all day!

[Izzy]

Ooh I worked it out. That link in the thread earlier on that omen posted.
(if you drag the folder into the droplet exe file, it will automatically do it basically)

[fryman]

Yeah selena, tha tutorial already linked to here explains everything, from creating the tag to setting up the droplet.

Problem I have with the droplet is that most of the times it ends up saving an optimized image, and that can screw a glitter effect a lot. Some images end up looking like crap.

[YabbaDoo]

I have a clever way of doing it.....I just make my tags and drag and drop em in and it tags them..then press save and DONE
It takes me 2.5 seconds per image to tag..instant, easyyyy...I am with Fryman on this...If you are doing for just one site for say 20-40 glitters, tagging should be free.
But if you are tagging for lots of sites for the same person, or its LOADS like 100 glitters maybe an extra dollar or 2 is reasonable as for 100 glitters I say it would take me maybe 45 minutes....so yeah :)

[fryman]

I still don't see how it can take so long. I tagged 200 glitters using an action, meaning that I had to press a shortcut for each image in order to get it tagged.
Took me about 6 minutes.

Might take a bit longer with other programs I guess

[YabbaDoo]

I don't feel comfortable with automated tagging if that's what you mean?
Even if someone told me it was the best thing since slice bread....I guess I just like doing it manually to get it perfect....I tag in certain ways, in certain places, not just the right hand corner for example.
But yeah...I do use Animation Shop - But I LOVE it so much :( :P

[Selena]

2.5 seconds per image is nothing...100 of them would take you what...3 minutes tops at that time...i tagged a 50 glitter pack in 2 minutes...simple as that...no problemo...
even 200 glitters that i tagged took like not even 10 minutes.

but i agree about the fact that i think automated tagging isn't the best. i like to make sure that the tag is visible, or not blocking anything important, but that still doesnt take me any more than 10 minutes even if i was doing 300 glitters.

[Helios]

What you need YabbaDoo is a plugin that displays all your glitters like a filmstrip,
allows you to drag the auto-placed text into position, and then when you're ready
it saves all the images to whatever optimized setting you use. Then of course if you
had to tag the same images for 20 other sites, you just type the domain names once
and it does the rest.

I had someone program me something similar when I was doing a lot of motion
video stuff, it worked awesome! You get the control plus the automation :)

[YabbaDoo]

Realllllyyyy....I didn't work it out like that using maths LOL! I have never tagged more than like 5 glitters at once...I normallly make a few, tag, and so on...But I guess with all the opening and closing to tag a 200 pack would probably take me say 25 minutes....being me :P
However, I can do one in 2.5-3 seconds..So yeah, I guess I may be quicker than I realise ;)

[Selena]

its so easy.
if your in animation shop...
open all your images at once...
then paste your tag into ani shop, then duplicate it twice, giving you 3 frames...press ctrl a and copy.
then go to each of your images, press ctrl+a and then ctrl+e and place your tag, then press ctrl+s and save
then close and go to your next one
3 seconds tops per glitter for me, plus like...30 seconds to do the tag...oh so much time right.

[YabbaDoo]

What you need YabbaDoo is a plugin that displays all your glitters like a filmstrip,
allows you to drag the auto-placed text into position, and then when you're ready
it saves all the images to whatever optimized setting you use. Then of course if you
had to tag the same images for 20 other sites, you just type the domain names once
and it does the rest.

I had someone program me something similar when I was doing a lot of motion
video stuff, it worked awesome! You get the control plus the automation :)

WOW!! If that's not an awesome idea for a plugin I dunno what is :P
I think you should get someone to write that and get a website for it everything, if its reallll easy you could market it to us poor old Animation Shop users and charge a small fee $.$
:P I'm sold ;)
BTW, Call me Danny/Dan ;):P

[Helios]

its so easy.
if your in animation shop...
open all your images at once...
then paste your tag into ani shop, then duplicate it twice, giving you 3 frames...press ctrl a and copy.
then go to each of your images, press ctrl+a and then ctrl+e and place your tag, then press ctrl+s and save
then close and go to your next one
3 seconds tops per glitter for me, plus like...30 seconds to do the tag...oh so much time right.

yeah, I feel sorry for anyone that doesn't use keyboard shortcuts in design

[YabbaDoo]

its so easy.
if your in animation shop...
open all your images at once...
then paste your tag into ani shop, then duplicate it twice, giving you 3 frames...press ctrl a and copy.
then go to each of your images, press ctrl+a and then ctrl+e and place your tag, then press ctrl+s and save
then close and go to your next one
3 seconds tops per glitter for me, plus like...30 seconds to do the tag...oh so much time right.

I know, I'm totally with you Selena, LOL! Forget that 45 minutes thing for 100, I'm stupid :P I guess I could do it in a few seconds per glitter like you too..You don't need to tell me I'm sold!

[GREGO]

it only takes an extra 10 seconds to tag a graphic before animating. you just make your tag and leave it open in a seperate photoshop file and just paste it in your photoshop graphic before you switch over to imageready and begin animating. that way you can control where the tag goes and looks best on each image. that easy

[fryman]

Yeah, but that would be only if you are creating the image and not tagging one you bought

[deep]

So far i didnt see a imageready tutorial on how to do automated tags, and someone talked about plugins, is there a plugin for imageready or is it already implented in it??

[Izzy]

^ the link is in omen's post near the beginning.

just drag what you need tagged in the droplet you made. (.exe)
(like a folder)

[Precious]

I figured out how to tag with the ctrl+e. but i was wondering what progegate paste (or however its spelled) is? :)

[LazyAK]

what is a good font and size for tagging images?

[mawt]

Ahahahahaha... just found this

http://www.msrs.net/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=18

How lame!!!!!!!

hahahahahaha 3 hours to tag some images....

That's not a very nice thing to say "fryman". Just because they do it differently...

[fryman]

*yawn*

Sorry mom :rolleyes:

[mawt]

wtf.

If someone else does it differently... let them.

[fryman]

Do you have something to add about tagging, or are you just playing to be a mod?

[mawt]

It's like talking to a brick wall...
Whatever then.

[Maz]

I figured out how to tag with the ctrl+e. but i was wondering what progegate paste (or however its spelled) is? :)
http://www.i-pix.net/images/46479prop.gif

By clicking on Propagate paste, when you have more than one frame selected on an animation, it will paste your tag into every frame in the same place so you don't have to do it manually.

You only have to click it once and it will stay on until you click it again or exit the program.

LazyAK: I personally think pixel fonts are best for tagging. I use BM Mini (http://www.dafont.com/bm-mini.font), size 6 without stroke (PS) or anti alias (PSP).

Fryman: I'll reiterate, not everyone has/knows how to use ImageReady.

[mawt]

That acually sounds really easy. Thanx for sharing Maz :)

[Precious]

Thank you Maz, I have a set to tag so i'll try it out right now! :)

[GREGO]

This thread kicks ***! Seriously though i don't care what program you have be resourcful! It takes seconds to tag no matter what.

if you use image ready you just paste a frickin link once and then save. why do ppl paste in each frame?

[Andria]

This thread kicks ***! Seriously though i don't care what program you have be resourcful! It takes seconds to tag no matter what.

if you use image ready you just paste a frickin link once and then save. why do ppl paste in each frame?
Not everyone has image ready.........not sure why ppl aren't listening to that.

And not everyone knows how to do things the way other ppl do.

[GREGO]

isn't that why we made this thread?

i remember the old days when i used ghetto jasc products and i still say you don't have to paste in each frame. it takes seconds no matter what and if you don't know how to do it in seconds may i suggest learning... and if thats not gonna happen well then - just stop complaining about how hard tagging is. ppl arn't going to pay for it anymore..

[Helios]

isn't that why we made this thread?

i remember the old days when i used ghetto jasc products and i still say you don't have to paste in each frame. it takes seconds no matter what and if you don't know how to do it in seconds may i suggest learning... and if thats not gonna happen well then - just stop complaining about how hard tagging is. ppl arn't going to pay for it anymore..

http://www.dodgeintrepid.net/forums/images/smilies/dead_horse.gif

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[Christina]

Yeah I always do the 3 frames in AS3 manually.. I didnt kno there was an easier way dudes :O