Google question

[Andria]

Might sound newbish but where exactly are the keywords? In the meta tags or is there another place?

[alexisthemovie]

anywhere on your site.

[digitalninja]

I have read somewhere that Google doesnt even read the keywords anymore. Only Yahoo and MSN. As soon as I find the link I will post it. Anyways its more important to actually have the words you want to rank well for....on your site. Also in the Title and description areas of course. Make sure you dont spam the same set of words on your site too much as the SE's dont like this.

An excellent forum for learning about SEO is SEOchat (http://forums.seochat.com/)

[alexisthemovie]

well how would you define a keyword? technically every word you put on your page is a keyword...

[Selena]

Maybe he means they don't read the meta keywords?

[Helios]

The keywords can be anything on your site. The higher concentration of a set of keywords, the better potential you have for those keywords.

So if every layout on your site was titled as "someArtist Myspace Layout" and "someModel Myspace Layout"...then Google would recognize your site as containing myspace layouts.
Just make sure your content is keyword rich, without going overboard.

[alexisthemovie]

all long as the word is somewhere on your page, push links with that keyword and you can rank well for it, IF you know what you're doing.

[Jordan]

Search engines pick up all words on your site as keywords but the keywords in your meta tags are also included.

[nsmchris]

Yeah. Basically Google doesn't put much weight in the meta tags anymore. Everyone was just "loading" them up trying to beat the system.

The best way to SEO is to use keyword phrases in your titles, urls, and content. Then get backlinks using your keyword phrases.

Chris...

[Andria]

Hmm I never really understood it. I have keywords in my meta tags but I dunno what else to do.

[alexisthemovie]

well the basic onsite optimization is, in no particular order;

1. keyword in meta
2. keyword in title
3. keyword prominently displayed (bold, italic, underline, h1, h2)
4. keyword in url

basically, just get it onto your page a couple of times and push links. thats the basics anyways.

[minnseoelite]

well the basic onsite optimization is, in no particular order;

1. keyword in meta
2. keyword in title
3. keyword prominently displayed (bold, italic, underline, h1, h2)
4. keyword in url

basically, just get it onto your page a couple of times and push links. thats the basics anyways.

Thats pretty good but you forgot an important one for myspace sites Image Alt Tags. Since myspace sites contain hundreds or even thousands of images buy making sure all or most of your images have Alt Tags you can really increase the number of visitors your site gets from Google Image Search.

[Helios]

Thats pretty good but you forgot an important one for myspace sites Image Alt Tags. Since myspace sites contain hundreds or even thousands of images buy making sure all or most of your images have Alt Tags you can really increase the number of visitors your site gets from Google Image Search.

To break it all down, you could just say ever possibly place that you can stick a keyword...do it!

Did any of this info help btw Andria?

[Selena]

This info has certainly helped me. I've stuck keywords all over my site as much as possible, I haven't checked any rankings yet because I doubt i'd have any rankings.

Is there a tool to find out what your rank is for a certain search term?

[Helios]

This is a decent free tool for google keyword rank checking (http://tools.seobook.com/general/rank-checker/index.php).
It doesn't use the Google API unfortunately, but the results are still fairly accurate.

Lots of other cool little tools on that site as well!

[MKInfo]

Your meta keywords are in every index.php file in your site.As are the page titles and descriptions for every section you use.

[mcfox]

Ugh. Can we stop with the half-truths and rumour posts please?

Andria (and anyone else who is interested), go to Aaron's site, www.seobook.com, and buy his seo book - it's the best one there is on the subject. It will cost you $79 and it is stuffed with information.

[minnseoelite]

Ugh. Can we stop with the half-truths and rumour posts please?

Andria (and anyone else who is interested), go to Aaron's site, www.seobook.com, and buy his seo book - it's the best one there is on the subject. It will cost you $79 and it is stuffed with information.


What are you talking about dude that is what I hear you say on every SEO related post "stop with the half truths go buy this book" what are you a reseller. I have been doing SEO for almost 7 years now and all of this information is correct and accurate. As for the SEO Book I bought that out of pure curiosity and its nothing special and is basically reworded info that you can find for free anywhere on the net SAVE YOUR MONEY!

Truth is there are NO real SEO secrets and after looking at every SEO ebook I could find whether free or paid they all pretty much say the same thing over and over again and about 75% of them are using outdated SEO techniques from the 90s. If you need help with SEO I would suggest subscribing to Google News for the keyword "SEO" you will get all the free UP TO DATE info you need sent daily to your email for free or go to a good respected SEO forum such as sitepoint.com.

[mcfox]

What are you talking about dude that is what I hear you say on every SEO related post "stop with the half truths go buy this book" what are you a reseller.
What are you talking about? To the best of my knowledge this is the first and only time I have replied to any post concerning seo let alone mentioned buying Aaron's ebook.

Of course the cynic in me might think you were about to promote Brad Callen's www.seoelite.com :whistling:

[Helios]

Ugh. Can we stop with the half-truths and rumour posts please?

Andria (and anyone else who is interested), go to Aaron's site, www.seobook.com, and buy his seo book - it's the best one there is on the subject. It will cost you $79 and it is stuffed with information.

What specifically are you referring to mcfox? There are people here genuinely trying to help each other - if you have information that would contradict this or otherwise help...then chime in! Why not actually contribute something to the discussion instead of just telling someone to drop $80 somewhere else.

I half-understand dude, the illusions that people have on SEO and how much they blow it out of proportion irk me sometimes as well...but step up to the plate instead of brushing the subject off.

[mcfox]

What specifically are you referring to mcfox? There are people here genuinely trying to help each other - if you have information that would contradict this or otherwise help...then chime in! Why not actually contribute something to the discussion instead of just telling someone to drop $80 somewhere else.

I half-understand dude, the illusions that people have on SEO and how much they blow it out of proportion irk me sometimes as well...but step up to the plate instead of brushing the subject off.
To be honest this thread is not the best place to get into detail about what is, after all, a complex and involved topic that will branch out left and right and have the parrots regurgitating some nonsense they read once somewhere that was based on some nonsense the author had picked up somewhere else, probably on a forum where it was posted with best intentions but was a nonsense claim from the beginning.

I recommend Aaron Wall's ebook because it is comprehensive in its coverage and is written for the beginner and upwards. Even Blackhat internet marketers recommend it!

This is my contribution to the discussion - buy the book!

It's only $79 for goodness sakes. I can put an affiliate link in my signature if you like but all I'm saying is go to the site and buy the book - no affiliation involved. I'm sure there is a free chapter available for anyone to check it out.

My point is that if someone is currently in the position that they aren't sure what keywords are all about then clearly they are in need of a resource that explains keywords, tags, optimisation, linking, etc. etc. My personal recommendation for that is seobook - all 328 pages of it.

The information can of course be found for free if you are prepared to spend many, many hours wading through all of the BS that passes for 'fact' across the net. Personally, I'd bite the bullet and spend the $79 myself to save on all the hassle but that's up to whoever is in the position of needing to learn.
;)

[Helios]

To be honest this thread is not the best place to get into detail about what is, after all, a complex and involved topic that will branch out left and right and have the parrots regurgitating some nonsense they read once somewhere that was based on some nonsense the author had picked up somewhere else, probably on a forum where it was posted with best intentions but was a nonsense claim from the beginning.

I recommend Aaron Wall's ebook because it is comprehensive in its coverage and is written for the beginner and upwards. Even Blackhat internet marketers recommend it!

This is my contribution to the discussion - buy the book!

It's only $79 for goodness sakes. I can put an affiliate link in my signature if you like but all I'm saying is go to the site and buy the book - no affiliation involved. I'm sure there is a free chapter available for anyone to check it out.

My point is that if someone is currently in the position that they aren't sure what keywords are all about then clearly they are in need of a resource that explains keywords, tags, optimisation, linking, etc. etc. My personal recommendation for that is seobook - all 328 pages of it.

The information can of course be found for free if you are prepared to spend many, many hours wading through all of the BS that passes for 'fact' across the net. Personally, I'd bite the bullet and spend the $79 myself to save on all the hassle but that's up to whoever is in the position of needing to learn.
;)

Fair enough. I suppose it was just your first approach that rubbed me the wrong way.

I agree with most of what you say here, but it's also nice to have an active discussion on it. I know a lot of people that would read through that book (yes, I have read it myself) and would come out with "okay, where do I start?". There are specifics in that book that have nothing to do with myspace resource sites, and there are tips that would help them greatly. If it's your first time learning SEO, yeah sure, buy the book if you can. But maybe that $80 would be spent better in our own marketplace here, adding new content, or buying links.

I guess my whole point from this was just, don't kill the discussion. Anyways, no harm done. Let's hug it out.

[Christina]

Thanks, this has helped me understand better.

Even if you have a lot of key words, is it less likely you will be on a higher rank on a search engine if you use iframes?

[fryman]

Frames are terrible, I've never understood why all those doll sites insist on using them. I guess they are just too lazy to build a real site using php, lol

Nothing can confuse the googlebot more than a bunch of frames placed all over the place

[alexisthemovie]

To be honest this thread is not the best place to get into detail about what is, after all, a complex and involved topic that will branch out left and right and have the parrots regurgitating some nonsense they read once somewhere that was based on some nonsense the author had picked up somewhere else, probably on a forum where it was posted with best intentions but was a nonsense claim from the beginning.

I recommend Aaron Wall's ebook because it is comprehensive in its coverage and is written for the beginner and upwards. Even Blackhat internet marketers recommend it!

This is my contribution to the discussion - buy the book!

It's only $79 for goodness sakes. I can put an affiliate link in my signature if you like but all I'm saying is go to the site and buy the book - no affiliation involved. I'm sure there is a free chapter available for anyone to check it out.

My point is that if someone is currently in the position that they aren't sure what keywords are all about then clearly they are in need of a resource that explains keywords, tags, optimisation, linking, etc. etc. My personal recommendation for that is seobook - all 328 pages of it.

The information can of course be found for free if you are prepared to spend many, many hours wading through all of the BS that passes for 'fact' across the net. Personally, I'd bite the bullet and spend the $79 myself to save on all the hassle but that's up to whoever is in the position of needing to learn.
;)


whats so complex about seo? his book teaches the basics and reasoning, but could be considered outdated since algorithms update often.

the basics always has been the typical onsite stuff (which is optimizing for your links) and then the actual linking.

[fryman]

lol, always cracks me up when someone says "oh, seo is so easy"...

Yeah, right, I guess that's why everyone here is top 10 for myspace layouts, huh?

Seo is a science, it is much more than what everyone thinks. If is was just backlinks and "onsite" stuff everyone would be top ranked.

And no, you won't learn about it on a crappy book. Takes years of trial and error to finally learn what works and what doesn't

[alexisthemovie]

lol, always cracks me up when someone says "oh, seo is so easy"...

Yeah, right, I guess that's why everyone here is top 10 for myspace layouts, huh?

Seo is a science, it is much more than what everyone thinks. If is was just backlinks and "onsite" stuff everyone would be top ranked.

And no, you won't learn about it on a crappy book. Takes years of trial and error to finally learn what works and what doesn't

i didnt say seo was easy, just that its very basic in form. if you like to think of it as a science and a really hard thing to do, then pat yourself on the back.

[fryman]

Yeah, well, anyone that ranks well for something like "myspace red ink colored dog feet pictures" call himself a seo nowadays

[alexisthemovie]

Yeah, well, anyone that ranks well for something like "myspace red ink colored dog feet pictures" call himself a seo nowadays

what i said has nothing to do with a title.

just because i can cook good food, does not mean i am a chef.

[minnseoelite]

What are you talking about? To the best of my knowledge this is the first and only time I have replied to any post concerning seo let alone mentioned buying Aaron's ebook.

Of course the cynic in me might think you were about to promote Brad Callen's www.seoelite.com :whistling:

No I dont promote any affiliate programs (and yet I get the seoelite part) and I believe you do have one other post concerning SEO and "half truths" and the reason I remember it is because it was on of the first threads I posted on when i joined this forum. But all that aside I do not wish to grobble about this. Yes I do know that there is ALOT of bad information concerning SEO going around this forum and that is what I am trying to correct and one of the reasons I attacked the idea about buying SEOBook is it is outdated and only covers the basics which anyone can find for FREE just buy doing a simple search it is definatly not worth $79 I would say more like $5 or $10 at the most and that is if you are just to lazy to search for the info.

[minnseoelite]

SEO work itself is easy nothing physical or hard about it just alot of reading and time spent in front of the computer. The basic principles of SEO are easy as well Keyword research, Optimizing tags and page content, Analyzing site link structure and indexability, and of course link work. But it is a science as well needing constant research and study into what new algorithms and techniques search engines use to rank sites. Any serious SEO will tell you that they spend hours and hours each week reading SEO articles, blogs, and talking with other SEO consultants.

[minnseoelite]

To be honest this thread is not the best place to get into detail about what is, after all, a complex and involved topic that will branch out left and right and have the parrots regurgitating some nonsense they read once somewhere that was based on some nonsense the author had picked up somewhere else, probably on a forum where it was posted with best intentions but was a nonsense claim from the beginning.

I recommend Aaron Wall's ebook because it is comprehensive in its coverage and is written for the beginner and upwards. Even Blackhat internet marketers recommend it!

This is my contribution to the discussion - buy the book!

It's only $79 for goodness sakes. I can put an affiliate link in my signature if you like but all I'm saying is go to the site and buy the book - no affiliation involved. I'm sure there is a free chapter available for anyone to check it out.

My point is that if someone is currently in the position that they aren't sure what keywords are all about then clearly they are in need of a resource that explains keywords, tags, optimisation, linking, etc. etc. My personal recommendation for that is seobook - all 328 pages of it.

The information can of course be found for free if you are prepared to spend many, many hours wading through all of the BS that passes for 'fact' across the net. Personally, I'd bite the bullet and spend the $79 myself to save on all the hassle but that's up to whoever is in the position of needing to learn.
;)

You dont have to wade through countless websites of BS if you just know where to go. For free information on what SEO is and how to get started people should check out.

http://www.seochat.com
http://www.seobook.com (not for the book)
http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/
Subscribe to Google News keyword SEO

[Jordan]

Yeah, right, I guess that's why everyone here is top 10 for myspace layouts, huh?

Haha actually I know of at least 3 people on this forum that are top 10 for myspace layouts on google, but I guess that's not everyone :)

$80 for an ebook? damn.

[Selena]

Frames are terrible, I've never understood why all those doll sites insist on using them. I guess they are just too lazy to build a real site using php, lol

Nothing can confuse the googlebot more than a bunch of frames placed all over the place

The frames part, thats all half of them know. As well, most of them start on geocities, which doesn't support php. :( I started using Divs one time when Angelkizz.net started using them. I was accused of being a "copier" or w/e but I just opened my eyes, whereas she went back to frames.

Most of them are oblivious to what the hell divs are. I am constantly getting added on msn and being asked "zomgz lyk dew yew know how 2 code in divz?"

Just thought i'd share. And yeah, I'd highly doubt that seo is all just jamming your page with keywords. I'm sure theres a lot more to it than that, but its a first step I guess.

[mcfox]

No I dont promote any affiliate programs (and yet I get the seoelite part) and I believe you do have one other post concerning SEO and "half truths" and the reason I remember it is because it was on of the first threads I posted on when i joined this forum. But all that aside I do not wish to grobble about this. Yes I do know that there is ALOT of bad information concerning SEO going around this forum and that is what I am trying to correct and one of the reasons I attacked the idea about buying SEOBook is it is outdated and only covers the basics which anyone can find for FREE just buy doing a simple search it is definatly not worth $79 I would say more like $5 or $10 at the most and that is if you are just to lazy to search for the info.
I'll take your word for it about the other post - I can't remember. :ninja:

We clearly have very different ideas about the value of our own time. Personally, I would rather spend $79 on an ebook that taught me the basics (remember the OP's question is entry-level seo) and gave me a thorough understanding than spend several weeks or months reading various articles across the web.

We also have different ideas about information being outdated. It covers the basics and leads into more advanced stuff. What the book will not do is teach you how to get top 10 for viagra; I accept that. That's a no-brainer.

The book, seobook, was last updated in November 2006, fyi.

[mcfox]

Most of them are oblivious to what the hell divs are. I am constantly getting added on msn and being asked "zomgz lyk dew yew know how 2 code in divz?"
And you understand what the that means?! :eek:

And yeah, I'd highly doubt that seo is all just jamming your page with keywords. I'm sure theres a lot more to it than that, but its a first step I guess.
Partly. But you can overdo it and get blasted into the search engine wilderness for keyword stuffing. Relevence is the key.

[Selena]

And you understand what the that means?! :eek:


To me, that means "zomgz *block*"
l337 gets on my nerves. sometimes i get ims from people that are like. h3y wHaTz ^ gErL.
oh my god i wanna punch them in the ovaries when i get messages like that.

[mcfox]

oh my god i wanna punch them in the ovaries when i get messages like that.
LMFAO! OMG! :biggrin: :biggrin:

[MKInfo]

To me, that means "zomgz *block*"
l337 gets on my nerves. sometimes i get ims from people that are like. h3y wHaTz ^ gErL.
oh my god i wanna punch them in the ovaries when i get messages like that.

Eh????????
I must be getting old http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/q/weep.gif

[Jordan]

To me, that means "zomgz *block*"
l337 gets on my nerves. sometimes i get ims from people that are like. h3y wHaTz ^ gErL.
oh my god i wanna punch them in the ovaries when i get messages like that.
OH MY GOD AMEN. I have people always adding me, asking me 'h0w do0o y3w tArG3t divzZzzz???!?!?!11', I have like 50 people blocked cos they say stupid things like that.

And yeah, I'd highly doubt that seo is all just jamming your page with keywords. I'm sure theres a lot more to it than that, but its a first step I guess.
Yeah, people say that seo is just loading up on keywords and alt/title tags but there's way more to it.

[Helios]

oh my god i wanna punch them in the ovaries when i get messages like that.

Damn you girl, you made me spit coffee across the room.

But back to SEO. Optimization is good, but it also isn't everything to a site. Do you guys ever find that people are too worried about creating websites for Google, instead of creating something for the actual visitors? I mean, if you're going to clutter the net with ARBI or MFA sites, then yeah, advanced SEO techniques (and maybe some black hat crap) is a requirement. But for myspace resource sites it's different, you're creating a property, worthwhile content, a brand, and a bit of a small business. Most people that own them work pretty hard on actually contributing something to the internet tubes. To me that's where the difference is...SEO gives us a little bit of an edge, and a better chance of ranking for keywords...but the key selling point is still your website itself. If your site is crap, all the SEO tricks in the world aren't really gonna matter...it'll dry up in the long run.

[MKInfo]

If your site is crap, all the SEO tricks in the world aren't really gonna matter...it'll dry up in the long run.

The best advice so far.Good content updated regularly = more visitors.

or

GC+UR=MV as Einstein used to say

[minnseoelite]

I'll take your word for it about the other post - I can't remember. :ninja:

We clearly have very different ideas about the value of our own time. Personally, I would rather spend $79 on an ebook that taught me the basics (remember the OP's question is entry-level seo) and gave me a thorough understanding than spend several weeks or months reading various articles across the web.

We also have different ideas about information being outdated. It covers the basics and leads into more advanced stuff. What the book will not do is teach you how to get top 10 for viagra; I accept that. That's a no-brainer.

The book, seobook, was last updated in November 2006, fyi.

Ok well the last I checked the book had not been updated since 2005 and I had seen on alot of forums about people complaining that the book was out of date so they must have updated it finally. And my issue has nothing to do with time but I do have and issue with spending $79 on information that you can get for free and just wanted to make everyone aware that for your $79 you will get absolutly nothing special no insider or "guru" secrets that you cannot find for free all over the internet.