Dems Promised lower Gas prices before they won the House and Senate.

[rufus]

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And Lower Taxes

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[dustin]

Noobs: Please stop posting political stuff, this is a MySpace discussion site only. Each time I log in here, in the new thread section I at least see 2 new political threads being posted and it's getting extremely annoying.

[Taghyra]

Noobs: Please stop posting political stuff, this is a MySpace discussion site only. Each time I log in here, in the new thread section I at least see 2 political threads being posted and it's getting extremely annoying.

MAYBE YOU MISSED THE NEW SECTION THAT GREG-J ADDED TO THE TOWN HALL

It's called: Election 2008

What do you think people is going to talk about here? Myspace layouts?
:whistling:

[Sergio]

MAYBE YOU MISSED THE NEW SECTION THAT GREG-J ADDED TO THE TOWN HALL

It's called: Election 2008

What do you think people is going to talk about here? Myspace layouts?
:whistling:

Crank dat soilja boi!

Dustin, kill yourself.

[rufus]

Noobs: Please stop posting political stuff, this is a MySpace discussion site only. Each time I log in here, in the new thread section I at least see 2 new political threads being posted and it's getting extremely annoying.

Who's da freaking noobe Mr my post count is 135 and have been here less then a year. Open your eyes and read and stop acting like ya know it all....

Gotta love people that think they know it all cause they have been here longer or have more posts.......Open mouth and insert foot.

I really hope your not old enough to vote cause if so this Country is in trouble.

[Kasami2k4]

Did you know every single time the United States had a repression a Republican was in office? :(

[rufus]

Did you know every single time the United States had a repression a Republican was in office? :(

Got a link for that or did someones mothers father next door neighbors sons babysitter say it ??

Proof please or its hearsay ???

[rufus]

Did you know every single time the United States had a repression a Republican was in office? :(

I tried looking it up but cant find it but I did find this...

Of the 11 recessions since the days of Calvin Coolidge, no fewer than 9 began in the first year of a new President.[/i]

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE5DB173DF930A15752C0A96F9482 60

So if what you say be true (which Im not going to waste anymore time looking for it.) then 9 of those Rep had just taken office from a Dem. Cant screw things up so bad you cause a recession in less then a year hun.

[Ajay]

i just came across the same article, looking for the presidents during the 11 recessions :D I couldn't find anything much about that either.

I tried looking it up but cant find it but I did find this...

Of the 11 recessions since the days of Calvin Coolidge, no fewer than 9 began in the first year of a new President.[/i]

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE5DB173DF930A15752C0A96F9482 60

So if what you say be true (which Im not going to waste anymore time looking for it.) then 9 of those Rep had just taken office from a Dem. Cant screw things up so bad you cause a recession in less then a year hun.

[Kasami2k4]

You'd think after 4-8 years they'd pull out of the recessions too :(
Besides, in case you don't remember, gas prices rose the same WEEK Bush first got elected =]

[rufus]

i just came across the same article, looking for the presidents during the 11 recessions :D I couldn't find anything much about that either.

Well Ajay then it must of been mothers fathers sons girlfriends sister in law Grandfathers preacher that said it huh ??

[Sergio]

Rufus, I also don't have proof, but my political science professor (Dr. if I may add) told us that too. I don't see why he would lie. I might be able to find his phone number so you can ask him. :)

[Kasami2k4]

Yeah. Don't vote for democrat or republican. That's a silly way of looking at things. Look at the people running, not which side they stand on. Look at their individual views.

[Greg-J]

Noob, please pay attention to where the thread your posting in is located...


This may be a community of webmasters for social networks, but the Presidential Election is among the most important issues in the US. Most of the traffic on this site is from the US. This being a community, and a community that enjoys debate - this section is natural.

[rufus]

Rufus, I also don't have proof, but my political science professor (Dr. if I may add) told us that too. I don't see why he would lie. I might be able to find his phone number so you can ask him. :)

Ok ask them for a link or proof cause they are the only ones that know cause I cant find it anywhere on the net. Not even the National Enquirer has printed it or nothing.

Also if it is true then my post about it happening in the first year of taking office 9 of the 11 times kills the idea that it was some reason a Rep fault it happened to begin with.

[Sergio]

I'll do my best. I'll skim through last semester's text books as well. If not then I just got pwned! :]

[Greg-J]

I heard the same rumor as well. Economics are much more difficult to figure out than most economists brains can digest though, so looking to them for answers is little more than getting a slightly more educated (in some cases anyway) guess.

As for the fuel discussions, here are a couple more videos to add to the argument.

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[rufus]

That 1st video is funny as hell.

Lets have the Federal Government step in and have Starbucks use their profits to come up with alternatives to their high priced coffee also why we are at it.

At almost 6 bucks for a 16 oz cup something must be done also.....LOL

[Kasami2k4]

Scary fact - The American unemployment rate surged to 5.5 percent last month, the government said on Friday, the biggest increase in more than two decades

[gowanstl24]

Yeah. Don't vote for democrat or republican. That's a silly way of looking at things. Look at the people running, not which side they stand on. Look at their individual views.

Thank you!! Our country is so wrapped up in labels. IMHO, that's just as bad as women voting for Hillary just because she's a woman, or white people not voting for Obama just because he's black.

Did anyone see The Daily Show after West Virginia voted? A bunch of old racists were straight up about why they didn't vote for him. Then Jon showed a pic of their state sign, and below it a pic was inserted that said, "No interviews please". That had me rolling. I'm just tired of closed-minded Americans in general, no matter what the subject.

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[rufus]

Scary fact - The American unemployment rate surged to 5.5 percent last month, the government said on Friday, the biggest increase in more than two decades

Not because there was a loss of jobs cause 5.4 million new jobs have been created since Bush took office in 2001 its just the rise isnt keeping up with the amount of new people that are available to work.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/dnc_vs_mccain.html

It shows it in the Not Enough Jobs section of that page.

Again how bout posting a link to what you say please.

[Greg-J]

That 1st video is funny as hell.

Lets have the Federal Government step in and have Starbucks use their profits to come up with alternatives to their high priced coffee also why we are at it.

At almost 6 bucks for a 16 oz cup something must be done also.....LOL
That has to be one of the worst comparisons and poorly thought out argument I've heard on the matter yet. Gross generalizations are the product of ignorance.

[rufus]

That has to be one of the worst comparisons and poorly thought out argument I've heard on the matter yet. Gross generalizations are the product of ignorance.

I think its actually funny. You want the Feds out of your life 1 sec( ie Patriot Act) But you want them to step in and dictate what a Company does with its profits. Thats insane Greg. How would you feel if they came in and said you were making to much and you have to take your profits and figure out a way for people not to buy your profuct...Also BIG OIL is owned by shareholders and not 1 person. Those shareholders are the American public.

The profits that were made by BIG OIL arent cause of massive profit margin but because of the amount that has been sold. They only make a 8% profit margin. 8% ????????? Thats a sucky margin unless you sell alot in which they do.

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[Kasami2k4]

Not because there was a loss of jobs cause 5.4 million new jobs have been created since Bush took office in 2001 its just the rise isnt keeping up with the amount of new people that are available to work.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/dnc_vs_mccain.html

It shows it in the Not Enough Jobs section of that page.

Again how bout posting a link to what you say please.



Do you mean those 'jobs' that pay less than illegal immigrants doing janitorial work get paid? :(

How old are you Rufus, and where are you from? Just curious..

[rufus]

Do you mean those 'jobs' that pay less than illegal immigrants doing janitorial work get paid? :(

How old are you Rufus, and where are you from? Just curious..

Ive voted in 5 General elections if that helps you.

Again what you just said about jobs is just you talking.. Link ???

[Kasami2k4]

So in other words, you'd argue what direction 'up' was, because you're stubborn and set in your ways. -_- Gotta be more open minded bubbles

[Greg-J]

The Feds do and have been intervening in purely business affairs long before now and they'll continue to do so. This isn't an issue about a companies profits though. When a corporation and/or corporate market has the power to effect the worlds economy at will, that needs to be kept in check.

I'm personally not upset at gas prices. It should have happened sooner, and they need to be a lot higher. The world is too big and supports too many people to be burning through fossil fuels like we do and without a large enough deterant, that won't change. The oil companies need to jack up the prices and raise their profit margin because it's going to take an awful lot of money to convert the current petrol infrastructure to something more sustainable.

With all that said, if "Big Oil" isn't going to be responsible and start putting some of that money into research and development of alternative fuels, you bet your *** the government should step in. This isn't an issue with the government trying to subsidize an economy with corporate money, this is an issue about the welfare of the planet and placing responsibility where it belongs.

Logging corporations have to plant trees when they clearcut because they're taking a natural resource. Chevron can't put oil seeds in the ground to make more oil so they need to put their efforts elsewhere.

Our civil liberties aren't at risk here so don't try and turn into a Patriot Act comparison, that's a foolish argument.

[rizza]

I don't see what the big deal is about McCain flip flopping on drilling. The times were different in the year 2000, McCain has the right to change his mind. Political views on issues like this deserve to be dynamic in nature.

The 1st video attacks McCain for taking money from lobbyist, and not voting to force oil companies to explore alternate energy. It's hard for me to defend lobbyist money, because I absolutely hate that part of our country, but every politician connected to DC has some relation to lobbyist. As for not forcing companies to explore alternate energy, doing so is not free! Oil companies will simply pass the cost on to consumers in the current gas prices, it's common sense. Something needs to be done to block that from happening. That's why I think both offshore drilling, and research into alternative energy need to be done to balance out the costs in the long run.

I'm 100% for alternative energy, and welcome it with open arms. Our government needs to create some sort of avenue for smaller companies (and there are hundreds of them) to expand. The big oil companies are not going to let alternative fuels take over, there is something like a trillion dollars left in the business. I hate government interaction with businesses, but I'm sick of what's happening to the American consumer. I welcome Congress to bully, punish, and force these oil companies into submission.

This is one of the only issues I support Obama on, and argue with Republicans the most. If Obama gets elected for president, take some money and invest it into alternative fuel companies, you'll be rich.

Rufus is right though that it's not one single person creating high gas prices, share holders have a lot to do with it, but they would also have a lot to do with the rise of alternative energy. :yes:

[Andrew2]

I don't see what the big deal is about McCain flip flopping on drilling. The times were different in the year 2000, McCain has the right to change his mind. Political views on issues like this deserve to be dynamic in nature.

The 1st video attacks McCain for taking money from lobbyist, and not voting to force oil companies to explore alternate energy. It's hard for me to defend lobbyist money, because I absolutely hate that part of our country, but every politician connected to DC has some relation to lobbyist. As for not forcing companies to explore alternate energy, doing so is not free! Oil companies will simply pass the cost on to consumers in the current gas prices, it's common sense. Something needs to be done to block that from happening. That's why I think both offshore drilling, and research into alternative energy need to be done to balance out the costs in the long run.

I'm 100% for alternative energy, and welcome it with open arms. Our government needs to create some sort of avenue for smaller companies (and there are hundreds of them) to expand. The big oil companies are not going to let alternative fuels take over, there is something like a trillion dollars left in the business. I hate government interaction with businesses, but I'm sick of what's happening to the American consumer. I welcome Congress to bully, punish, and force these oil companies into submission.

This is one of the only issues I support Obama on, and argue with Republicans the most. If Obama gets elected for president, take some money and invest it into alternative fuel companies, you'll be rich.

Rufus is right though that it's not one single person creating high gas prices, share holders have a lot to do with it, but they would also have a lot to do with the rise of alternative energy. :winkiss:

That's all good and all but do you have a link to prove any of that?
Does anyone have proof that Rufus has voted in 5 general elections, if so can I please see a link?
Anyone? A Link please? Link? Link!?

Also if you can please post links so I can make sure your other links are backed up. Thanks.

[rufus]

So in other words, you'd argue what direction 'up' was, because you're stubborn and set in your ways. -_- Gotta be more open minded bubbles

Im posting links to everything I say while you continue to post hearsay and post nothing.

If you read earlier I said I liked John Edwards and he is a Dem and Im a Rep so yeah. Though Im a Reg Republican I vote for the better person that I feel can do the job better regardless of party affiliation.

[rizza]

The Feds do and have been intervening in purely business affairs long before now and they'll continue to do so. This isn't an issue about a companies profits though. When a corporation and/or corporate market has the power to effect the worlds economy at will, that needs to be kept in check.

I'm personally not upset at gas prices. It should have happened sooner, and they need to be a lot higher. The world is too big and supports too many people to be burning through fossil fuels like we do and without a large enough deterant, that won't change. The oil companies need to jack up the prices and raise their profit margin because it's going to take an awful lot of money to convert the current petrol infrastructure to something more sustainable.

With all that said, if "Big Oil" isn't going to be responsible and start putting some of that money into research and development of alternative fuels, you bet your *** the government should step in. This isn't an issue with the government trying to subsidize an economy with corporate money, this is an issue about the welfare of the planet and placing responsibility where it belongs.

Logging corporations have to plant trees when they clearcut because they're taking a natural resource. Chevron can't put oil seeds in the ground to make more oil so they need to put their efforts elsewhere.

Our civil liberties aren't at risk here so don't try and turn into a Patriot Act comparison, that's a foolish argument.

Perfectly said.

[Kasami2k4]

Im posting links to everything I say while you continue to post hearsay and post nothing.

If you read earlier I said I liked John Edwards and he is a Dem and Im a Rep so yeah. Though Im a Reg Republican I vote for the better person that I feel can do the job better regardless of party affiliation.

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[Greg-J]

I was hoping that video backed up what you said but realized 60 seconds in that it's just some pointless song...

[Kasami2k4]

Arguing with him is like arguing with someone who still thinks the world is flat :/ completely pointless. I've done my research in the past and don't really wanna bother with someone who hasn't even been paying attention the past 8 years, if he didn't even know the jobs created paid about as much as working at McDonalds. It's one of the bigger reasons Bushes approval rate was so low. But people like this just close their eyes to the truth, and cover their ears going "LALALALALALA".

So I just posted a video to get his goat instead ;(

[rufus]

I was hoping that video backed up what you said but realized 60 seconds in that it's just some pointless song...

Apparently she was pointing out her age and immaturity to not carry on a good little debate. Are there any adults here other then Greg and Ajay ?

LOLrofl

[rufus]

Arguing with him is like arguing with someone who still thinks the world is flat :/ completely pointless. I've done my research in the past and don't really wanna bother with someone who hasn't even been paying attention the past 8 years, if he didn't even know the jobs created paid about as much as working at McDonalds. It's one of the bigger reasons Bushes approval rate was so low. But people like this just close their eyes to the truth, and cover their ears going "LALALALALALA".

So I just posted a video to get his goat instead ;(

Again not 1 single thing you have said has any backing other then your own words. Show us the links and the proof that doesnt come from some Left wing website. I have been asking for them since we started here and you have produced nothing. Hell I can say alot of stuff that is nothing but hearsay but that makes it just my opinion unless I produce some valid backing to my words. That is something you have chosen not to do cause in my opinion you cant......So please I beg of you elighten me PLEASE.

[Greg-J]

Even though rufus and I probably disagree on most political issues, I do agree with him that it's important to quote sources. If you just heard something somewhere, just say that. At least it gives us an idea of how much credence to give an argument.

I don't think it got it got his goat either :whackit:

What would have got his goat - or anyone's goat for that matter - are hard fact proving him wrong or a compelling argument.

[Kasami2k4]

sigh

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27897
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/employment/2004-06-29-jobs_x.htm
http://www.vdare.com/guzzardi/chao.htm
http://www.pinoypress.net/2008/03/12/jobs-created-under-arroyo-low-paying-poor-quality/

Enough? -_-

[Greg-J]

Did you really just quote The Onion as a news source?


You do realize of course that The Onion is absolutely famous because it is a satirical news site, right? They even made a movie, which is hilarious.


You can't honestly think Bush said this in a public statement:
"The average unemployed person has given so much to American business," Bush said. "Now it's time for American business to give something really ****ty back."

The Onion is completely fake. Not National Enquirer fake, but fake fake.

[Andrew2]

You guys want a link?
http://myspacepros.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19586
There, reply to that. The information is legit and direct from the source.

[Greg-J]

You guys want a link?
http://myspacepros.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19586
There, reply to that. The information is legit and direct from the source.
lol. Replied Andrew.

[Kasami2k4]

I posted the onion as a joke, yeah :( I also posted sites like USAToday though.

[rufus]

sigh

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27897
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/employment/2004-06-29-jobs_x.htm
http://www.vdare.com/guzzardi/chao.htm
http://www.pinoypress.net/2008/03/12/jobs-created-under-arroyo-low-paying-poor-quality/

Enough? -_-

Some of those are good links but there are high paying jobs that are being created by your own links. Its just they say the low paying jobs are rising at a higher rate.

How bout everyone on this forum pick up the classifieds and look in the Help wanted section. See all those jobs there ? Theres quite a few that are high paying jobs also. Do you qualify for any of them ? I do for some but there are alot I dont qualify for either. So what do people do ?

Sit in their own pity and do nothing ?

Settle for one of those low paying jobs cause they themselves arent marketable ?

Or make a difference in themselves and make themselves marketable.

The person that made horseshoes for a living had to make a change when the cars became big and their business almost died.

Maybe its time you also make a change rather then play the blame game and look for self pity cause with me you will get none if all you do is complain and depend on the Federal government to fix all your problems. You own You and you control your own destiny.

Yeah there are hurdles for everyone. Some more then others but you can do and be whatever you decide you want to do and be.

[GREGO]

how is it that, despite the craphole we've wen't down since the republicans re took the whitehouse, that the dems are still the ones blamed for everything.

They can't do alot when Bush vetos everything they try.


"it's them liberals" yeah yeah, whatever you say :smartass:

[rufus]

how is it that, despite the craphole we've wen't down since the republicans re took the whitehouse, that the dems are still the ones blamed for everything.

They can't do alot when Bush vetos everything they try.


"it's them liberals" yeah yeah, whatever you say :smartass:

LOL now that is funny GREGO..........I mean really funny.

Bush has had the LEAST amount of vetoes then any President since Warren Harding which was 14 Presidents ago. Less then Bill Clinton/Jimmy Carter/Reagan/Ford/Bush Sr

So you were saying he vetoes EVERYTHING they try huh ??? Here ya go.

Here go look yourself...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes