MarketPlace Rules and Conduct :: (updated 01.12.08)

[Greg-J]

The Rules are simple:

!updated One offer per thread. You may sell as many things as you want in the Original Post of your Marketplace thread. Posting additional offers further down the thread is not allowed.
No thread bumping (either for yourself or your friends)
Do not offer your products or services in someone else's sales thread.
You may not sell graphics/comments/layouts in the marketplace that you did not create regardless of whether you have resell rights or not.
!new If you have a question about something being sold in the Marketplace, you are encouraged to ask it in that thread, but comments are not allowed in Marketplace threads that would be viewed as thread-bumping. Things like "nice pack", "all PM's replied to" and "thanks for payment, pack sent" are things that don't need to be in a Marketplace thread. Within the next 60 days this will be a non-issue, but for now please respect the new rules and keep your correspondence in PM.
!new MySpace or other user accounts may not be sold in the Marketplace.



If you need your Marketplace thread edited, please contact jessidel, minnseoelite, or any of the other mods.

[Precious]

In hopes to help keep sales threads clean and organized, there has been a new rule put in place.

You cannot post in a sales thread unless its asking a question, or posting to say that you are buying the products/services listed.

This means no more posts like "very nice, wish i had the money" or anything completely off topic.

We realize alot of the time when we post something, we don't realize it is trashing another persons thread and sometimes people take things differently than others, so we are making it simple and saying NO posting in the thread unless as listed above.

Thank you for your efforts to keep MSP clean and fun.

[edit]

qusetion

Question.

Guess theres no written exam for becoming a mod...oh wait does this constitute as a post in the marketplace? oh crap! :chris:

[mcfox]

Question.

Guess theres no written exam for becoming a mod...oh wait does this constitute as a post in the marketplace? oh crap! :chris:
Stop being a smartass. Never made a typo before? (N)

On the plus side, I did get to issue my first warning.

[DavidR]

theres

There's.

Don't corect typos, it just makes you look like an idiot.

[omen]

Should also make a rule to stick with the dates when the seller says they will have
the content ready.

[sky2k4]

yea like

When ready
w/wo resale rights
when its ending
private or not
stats
income

and so on

[Precious]

yea like

When ready
w/wo resale rights
when its ending
private or not
stats
income

and so on

No, we cannot make a rule telling them what to post in their paid thread. They pay to post whatever they want. If they don't include information for something, ask questions or PM them.

[sky2k4]

yea but we are providing a service,, like placing a classified ad. they have restriction or should i say requirments,lol.. i was just saying not to make a rule but just some options to think about when posting.

[omen]

I was talking more penalised if they don't do what their classified says.

[DavidR]

I was talking more penalised if they don't do what their classified says.

I guess that could come under the feedback (itrader) system that is already in place.

[hotmonkee]

i believe thats what the itrader and reps are for. i believe that msp is not responsible for the seller to hold up their end of the deal. but the mods and the users can give bad rep and negative itrader, and then i believe that person can get suspended, kicked off or what not for all the negativaty.

i do agree that timelines should be met, however, msp can't regulate that and make it a rule. its between you and the seller.

we have had a great community and marketplace so far. some designers fail to meet deadlines, but that's business. i don't want to see this forum turn in to some of the other forums where it gets filled up with so much junk...etc.

[wce]

There NEEDS to be guidelines on what is posted in a sales thread. I don't care if they're paying for it or not. There are certain things, that as buyers, we should be entitled to without having to drag it out of someone in a PM. Information that may sway someones decision to purchase, that they may not have thought of that is important. We're not all perfect and can't always remember to ask every necessary question when multiple threads are going on and we have to send PM's to 10 different people requesting info, you tend to get confused on what thread is what.

A guideline would be beneficial to both the buyers and the sellers. The sellers sometimes forget to include information in their thread that they want to point out. As a buyer, if I'm dealing with multiple people, having to go back and forth PM'ing information, after a few PM's to a few people about a few different threads, I lose interest as I don't have the answers I want immediately and sometimes I just forget about it or say screw it, resulting in the loss of a potential sale.

Just because someone pays for something doesn't mean that they don't have rules or regulations. Just because you own a building/house doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it, there are zoning regulations which specifies which guidelines you must follow.

Simply put, the marketplace will be more efficient and effective if everyone follows the same rules and guidelines on posting.

[hotmonkee]

this isn't a building. im assuming if you have questions regarding the actual sale, then posting that question would be ok if it's beneficial to all buyers. they just dont want all of the non business comments such as "nice stuff" or "i wish i could buy".

msp and the mods cannot regulate every sellers threads and watch to see if they are following the rules. when you do business, there's always some way of dealing with it, dealing with bad sales deals...etc.

msp is providing advertising for the seller, not selling the product themself so i don't see why msp should make rules for someone who is paying for advertising, but they can post rules to regulate their forum, two different things. that's why the itrader is in place. you can read the negative feedback and make your own decision on whether or not to do business with that person.

bottom line, dont fill up the sales thread with non business comments, if you have negative feedback post it in the itrader for that person, if you do not purchase from the seller, no need to post anything in the thread, negative or positive.

giving positive itrader is also good with good experiences, helps buyers know who is great to do business with.

[edit]

Yes sellers have a right to not have their threads crapped on or ruined. Leave itrader at all times if you have that big of a problem. If a time limit is never put on the completion of work then its your mistake for paying up front and in the end nothing you can do to speed up the process. If the work isn't as good as you'd hoped, itrader...if the work is great and amazing...itrader.

Oh and sorry for correcting a typo cheer up people it was a joke...put your badges away.

[wce]

Apparently you don't understand what I'm getting at. I agree completely that there should not be "non-business" comments.

You're right, this isn't a building. The reference to the building thing is called an EXAMPLE.

The mods CERTAINLY can regulate the sellers threads to ensure that specific, related information is provided in the thread. Just because someone is paying for something does not mean there shouldn't be any structure.

My comment has NOTHING to do with ITrader, why you brought that up in response to my post is beyond me. It is totally irrelevant.

Bottom line, I agree 100%. No junk in the threads. But for the sake of everyone, there should be some stucture.

[hotmonkee]

i understand what you are saying.

structure is a good suggestion with the initial posted thread, however, i just don't see mods going around to each seller telling them how to advertise. i think the fact that it is paid makes a huge difference on my view and a lot of other sellers as well.

its a chance you take when doing business. you sometimes have to pm the sellers if they don't follow up. once in a while you find a seller that doesn't post updates. i post updates all the time. which is why i mention the itrader.

most are good about posting price, examples, timelines, what the pack includes, resell or not....and if they dont mention it, that would be an appropriate question to ask in the thread.

[wce]

That's all I was getting at... was some sort of basic structure in the initial post.

I agree 1982739% about these threads being trashed and it needs to be stopped. Nothing more irritating than looking through a thread trying to find pertinent information and seeing nothing but a bunch of useless filler info... and especially seeing people criticizing peoples work in a sales thread. How ignorant can some of these people be. :/

[Greg-J]

There's.

Don't corect typos, it just makes you look like an idiot.
lol. First post to make me laugh in a while.

[Greg-J]

You know what I DO NOT want to see anymore are group buys for packs that aren't completed yet. It never works out.

[hotmonkee]

how about making sure the pack is already completed, or the product is ready to go before posting? it would be hard to show all 600 glitters as samples, however, in my very first post, i had a link to all the glitters in the pack to show 1. what they were getting, 2. that it was completed.

my suggestion would be that the packs are complete before selling?

[Precious]

how about making sure the pack is already completed, or the product is ready to go before posting? it would be hard to show all 600 glitters as samples, however, in my very first post, i had a link to all the glitters in the pack to show 1. what they were getting, 2. that it was completed.

my suggestion would be that the packs are complete before selling?
Yes, thats what Greg suggested. :)

[Ad disengaged]

good info . Changes were needed.

[hotmonkee]

Yes, thats what Greg suggested. :)

Oh sorry, I meant not only on group buys. I see a lot of individual buys go on with the packs not even completed yet. then it takes eons for it to be done.

[Precious]

Oh sorry, I meant not only on group buys. I see a lot of individual buys go on with the packs not even completed yet. then it takes eons for it to be done.
I dont personally remember seeing this? I know that when the package isn't complete, is when the call it a group buy... I may have missed them though.

[Greg-J]

The original post has been updated to reflect the requests of the users regarding positive remarks in Marketplace threads:

http://www.myspacepros.com/forum/showthread.php?p=16845

[Greg-J]

The Marketplace Rules have been updated.

[Greg-J]

Marketplace Rules Updated.

[Greg-J]

Marketplace Rules Updated. Again.

[Greg-J]

I received this PM from a member here and I think they bring up a very valid point. I've opened this thread for discussion to hear what everyone has to say about it.


Hi Greg I really need your help here. I mean I read the rules and it said hang in there for 60 days for new changes and I have no problem with that.

However, I just posted a new thread today and yeah the sales are coming in.... but I mean I can't even reply to my buyers in the thread, saying PM sent, or packs tagged. It just looks like I'm not responding at all it looks like its a dead thread to my potential buyers or I'm taking long to respond.

I just feel like it's hurting my sales already.

I don't want to bug you with this as you said you were thinking about it.

Its just that i tried out the new marketplace rules and its hard to communicate with my buyers with out the fear of a mod saying I'm doing something wrong when I'm simply responding to a buyers post.

Thanks again for your time with this.

I think they're valid concerns. I'm going to remove Marketplace threads altogether from the latest threads and the Marketplace index page will soon be an all-new index page. I know the concern is with thread-bumping, but if no Marketplace threads are in the latest threads section, and they're listed by the time posted anyway, what is the problem with Marketplace thread communication?

[minnseoelite]

am i missing something? how is it hard to communicate with your buyers, the PM system works. if they have not purchased yet then they are not buyers, i'm sure not seeing a thread filled 10 posts saying "all packs tagged" is not hurting sales any. as i buyer when i look at a sales thread i could care less if everyone elses packs are tagged, sent, or whatever. as long as my PM's to the seller are getting answered.

[RKGraphics]

Hi,
I also understand the rule about not responding with pm sent...etc. Your buyers who are interested will know you are responding if you are pm'ing them. However, I haven't been warning anybody with those simple comments. I've seen the threads and it looks like busines transactions, even with "pm sent, packs being tagged....etc".

I've only had to warn a few people who were obvoiusly thread bumping, and bumping all their threads that they ever made. "pack still available" for all your 20 packs is obvoius thread bumping.

And when we say its ok to post new information, that doesn't mean to go ahead and offer new packs.

I, myself personally, don't want anybody to be reluctant to post in their own threads. I'm not out to get people. I've only been focusing on the real nuisances and just giving out friendly reminders of posting non business comments in the threads. Just those things that have had people complaining for a long time now. The other rules that have been listed i've been really laid back on (sorry greg) because I didnt want anybody to think their innocent post that could be considered business, to be reluctant to post anything or think they're gonna get warned.

All in all, we want a marketplace that is just business. The main problem is the obvious thread bumping and begging.

I hope me chiming in helps at all.

[Greg-J]

:dots:


Anyone other than moderators care to chime in?


(not that I don't appreciate the input, but I really want to know everyone else things ;))

[minnseoelite]

lol sorry greg

[RKGraphics]

k sorry greg.

[nsmchris]

The benign marketplace "bumps" never bothered me. What bothered me was someone selling junk and then bumping 4-6 times consecutively begging for buyers.

Personally, if I sold 4 items since my last post on my sales thread, I'm going to post in my thread "gens sent to blah, blah, blah and blah" I'm not going to send 4 pms. That just seems like good biz to me. When I purchased the Emo stuff from Andrew, I appreciated his running list of who was next and the percentage.

[pookie]

i honestly don't see what the problem is. it's just as easy and simple to use the pm system to communicate with your buyers as it is to do so in your thread. yes, by not saying "packs are tagged" in your thread, it looks like you're not selling anything. just use the pm. no big deal.

[pookie]

i mean, wouldn't buyers want to be notified about their packs directly via pm instead of wading through threads and posts just find out "oh hey my pack is done."? you're going to have to use the pm anyway to send your buyers their packs.

[Andrew2]

i like discussing things in the threads so people see that i am active (like that person who talked to you mentioned) and then any information will be there for everyone else to read.

There should be like a limit, you can't reply to yourself 3 times in a row or something... After all we have a new marketplace mod, I think we just get the old rules back but stop people from "these are still available", If people want to buy your stuff then they will post but begging is sad... I feel bad that they aren't getting sales but 4 pages of the same old thing... Someone needs to just tell them...I don't know, Everyone has their own point of view.. I don't like the limit on what buyers/sellers can say.


When I purchased the Emo stuff from Andrew, I appreciated his running list of who was next and the percentage.

Thanks, and that was a public list so people saw that I was being active about it and it also let the buyers know the progress they had...
These new rules prohibit that, I planned on never making another marketplace thread for that reason (since its not allowed)..All business done via PM is non-existant to anyone except the person who recieved and sent the messages, which to be is bad business. :( I understand that it's just to try to eliminate marketplace spam but just ban people for a couple days if that happens.

[Jen]

The only issues that I had with the Marketplace was the constant bumping of every single thread the seller had and the constant, "these are still here", "anyone else" type of bumping. Other things I had no issues with.

The threads do need to show activity and not just sitting there....

My 2 cents

[pookie]

I can understand the above points of view. How about just a rule that prohibits begging and stuff like "these are still available"

[lyzyrdgyzyrd]

I cringe when sellers post things like "David, pack sent" if the buyer did not chime in on the thread in the first place. If I chime in on the thread, Then I don't care if the seller proceeds to call me names or make disparaging comments about my manhood, or lack thereof. But when I make transactions privately, I would prefer for the business to remain private.

[RKGraphics]

as a buyer too, i tell my sellers that i do not want to be mentioned in the thread, therefore i do not post in the thread.

thats the only advice i can offer. i would rather keep most of my transactions private. so i request it from the seller.

[Anne]

As a seller, I think we should be able to respond to the buyers in our threads.

If someone post "Payment sent", I'd like to be able to say "Payment received, pack tagged and sent. Thank you for your purchase"..

It shows that I have received payment, that I'm on top of my business, and I appreciate that someone has purchased from me. It's merely common courtesy.

Begging is not attractive, either personally or in a business sense. That should be outlawed, but common courtesy should not.

[goodman0000]

I already had a buyer tell me that there are sales in my thread and they done so because they either felt that I may have been inactive/havent noticed or that I havent attended to those post when in fact I already have "replied to PM's" and " the packs have been sent"

Things like "packs sent", "PM's replied to " or simple updates is buyer and seller communication which is extremly important to a seller sales practices.

[Taghyra]

Ok, so here I go...

I think the whole problem is the thread bumping that is being made on purpose so the thread is visible on the main page. I looked around the marketplace to find sales like these and I found this thread that was bumped 35 times, in a row, no one said anything in between posts.

I think is ok to reply back to anything that's being said in your thread. As long as you're answering questions, updating, etc. I mean if they wanted to do everything via PM they wouldn't post anything to begin with, and they would send a PM instead.

So like I said, I think replying back and communicating with the customer is ok, the intentional bumping (please get these, come on you guys, these are still here, come on guys I need money... etc..........) needs to go.

I would feel all weird if can't post for everyone to see that I've sent all packs and stuff... :(

[minnseoelite]

If someone post "Payment sent", I'd like to be able to say "Payment received, pack tagged and sent. Thank you for your purchase"..



i agree, i think that if the Buyer is the first to post "Payment Sent" the seller can respond saying "payment received tagging your pack now". But if the Buyer does not say anything then there is really no reason for the Seller to have to post "payment received" in the thread, it can be done in PM.

honestly i think people are looking to hard into all this.......

[Greg-J]

I think removing the marketplace posts from the latest threads on the index page could be a good solution. That way people will need to go to the Marketplace to see the newest threads anyway.

Opinions?

[pookie]

well that should get rid of the apparent thread bumping and will allow buyers and sellers to communicate openly in the sales threads

[Taghyra]

I think removing the marketplace posts from the latest threads on the index page could be a good solution. That way people will need to go to the Marketplace to see the newest threads anyway.

Opinions?

I think that's a good idea... but

I have mixed feeling because then even if our thread is new it wont be visible at all unless someone goes to the marketplace. :(

I think we're better off just trying to eliminate the senseless bumping?

[RKGraphics]

can i post an opinion?

i dont mind seeing marketplace threads on the main page.

or, if there's a way of doing it, make it so that it posts on the main page when its new, then afterwards any new posts in that thread doesn't show up on the main page? just a thought.

[pookie]

^ makes sense. maybe buyers will be more inclined to visit the marketplace more often

[spotlight-shure]

I think removing the marketplace posts from the latest threads on the index page could be a good solution. That way people will need to go to the Marketplace to see the newest threads anyway.

Opinions?

I know alot of my past buyers or buyers that usually buy in bulk from me say they never check the marketplace. So i'm just afraid people are going to lose sales and it's going to be a big waste of time. I get more of my customers when the thread is on the index because usually i get some posts/pms after it's on the index or i have just posted. That is also how it gets more views to the thread.

But i don't really care what you guys do since i know if it doesn't work out Greg will change it for the better for everyone. Good luck with everything and i'm sure it is going to be fair for everyone.

[crimsonangel]

I think removing the marketplace posts from the latest threads on the index page could be a good solution. That way people will need to go to the Marketplace to see the newest threads anyway.

Opinions?
YES! That would be really nice!
:)

[goodman0000]

I personally wouldn't get rid of it, for the reason that when we purchase a thread any and all visibility is important to sales as well, there is always a decline once sales leave the first page.

Senseless bumping maybe a temp ban will be good after a warning of course. Personally I only have a problem with being limited on communicating with buyers.

As far as private sales I strongly suggest buyer's to notify us sellers that you want to keep it private when you send a PM just so us sellers know for sure.

[nsmchris]

I think removing the marketplace posts from the latest threads on the index page could be a good solution. That way people will need to go to the Marketplace to see the newest threads anyway.

Opinions?

Ideally, it would be great if users could select the forums they want to see in or omit from the latest threads area.

[crimsonangel]

"Hello, my name is Patty and I am a bumpaholic"! Just kidding. Honestly though, I didn't even know what "bumping or spamming" even meant until not too long ago.
I have done one or the other before. I was not trying to be a pest. I just didn't like my thread getting "buried". Yes, I said "buried". What I mean is when all the new threads for every other thing (glitters, links, etc.) gets posted, my little ol'sale gets lost. I know, I'm a broken record but I just wish there were categories in there. I do look forward to all the changes and I am sure they will all be quite helpful.
:)

[RKGraphics]

Ideally, it would be great if users could select the forums they want to see in or omit from the latest threads area.

yes. i agree.
this one forum i belong to, you can subscribe to whatever sub forum, and those new topics in those subscribe sub forums are the only things you see.

[crimsonangel]

Oh, and I promise never to "bump" or "spam" again!
:s

[Cyclops]

Well after reading through all the posts in the threads devoted to the marketplace and it's rules ... all I can say is that it was working fine as it was, sure a couple of people got carried away with thread bumping but that was a very small minority.

The only concern I had was people bashing peoples products and thats pretty easy to police.

It's getting over complicated .... KISS .... keep it simple.

[RKGraphics]

some other things were added, like rule 1 was clarified, and reselling of packs you didnt create is not allowed. i think removing commenting in your own thread or how we've been doing it like "packs sent" "payment recvd" should be fine.

i can pick out obvious thread bumps and those have been descretly taken care of. it seems the biggest concern were those thread bumps of like 4 or 5 pages of the seller bumping the same thing. or bumping all their packs. flame wars, and unnecessary comments.

ok, i'll stop posting my opinions.

[Sergio]

I think it would be nice to have the latest marketplace threads, NOT posts. This would end the thread bumping problem, and it would help the buyers/sellers. It might look weird with this layout, but didn't you say you were working on a layout with a sidebar?

[Andrew2]

I think any new rules applied should be enforced when the new MSP template is created............... It will be easier cus it will be like a whole new forum (based on what I've heard about the updates).

[lyzyrdgyzyrd]

Well after reading through all the posts in the threads devoted to the marketplace and it's rules ... all I can say is that it was working fine as it was, sure a couple of people got carried away with thread bumping but that was a very small minority.

The only concern I had was people bashing peoples products and thats pretty easy to police.

It's getting over complicated .... KISS .... keep it simple.

Agreed. Too much ado over non-issues.

[RKGraphics]

we've been back and forth with posts and thread bumps....etc.

does anybody have any ideas that haven't been mentioned that might improve the marketplace?

[Andrew2]

well, I don't want to make suggetions because I don't know how much greg wants to mod the current mp..

But um, bidding threads where users can bid taking a step up from "hey, so andrew2 is winning with $3.00, u have to bid higher if u want it"... F'reals, If we want this place to grow then expanding the marketplace to be more professional for all types of sales is a MUST.

Then there's Escrow, enough of this scam stuff. Turn MySpacePros into it's own version of scriptlance or elance. If it's not too hard to do then please create an escrow for larger sales, The only people who get money from the sales is the buyer/seller since the marketplace already costs money.

Featured sales (I'm repeating this idea because I believe in it), Deviantart has nice featured art so why can't this marketplace have cool featured sales... Users can click a link that promotes the sale and tallies it to be featured.

Don't hate me, Just ideas.

[Ajay]

I agree with andrew, good suggestions.

well, I don't want to make suggetions because I don't know how much greg wants to mod the current mp..

But um, bidding threads where users can bid taking a step up from "hey, so andrew2 is winning with $3.00, u have to bid higher if u want it"... F'reals, If we want this place to grow then expanding the marketplace to be more professional for all types of sales is a MUST.

Then there's Escrow, enough of this scam stuff. Turn MySpacePros into it's own version of scriptlance or elance. If it's not too hard to do then please create an escrow for larger sales, The only people who get money from the sales is the buyer/seller since the marketplace already costs money.

Featured sales (I'm repeating this idea because I believe in it), Deviantart has nice featured art so why can't this marketplace have cool featured sales... Users can click a link that promotes the sale and tallies it to be featured.

Don't hate me, Just ideas.

[Nora]

I think removing the marketplace posts from the latest threads on the index page could be a good solution. That way people will need to go to the Marketplace to see the newest threads anyway.

Opinions?
This could hurt sales..
I don't know about other people but I rarely dig through the marketplace, I usually just check out the things that are mentioned on the index.. I like Andrew's featured idea at least that way marketplace threads will still get promoted a bit :)

[Greg-J]

well, I don't want to make suggetions because I don't know how much greg wants to mod the current mp..

But um, bidding threads where users can bid taking a step up from "hey, so andrew2 is winning with $3.00, u have to bid higher if u want it"... F'reals, If we want this place to grow then expanding the marketplace to be more professional for all types of sales is a MUST.

Then there's Escrow, enough of this scam stuff. Turn MySpacePros into it's own version of scriptlance or elance. If it's not too hard to do then please create an escrow for larger sales, The only people who get money from the sales is the buyer/seller since the marketplace already costs money.

Featured sales (I'm repeating this idea because I believe in it), Deviantart has nice featured art so why can't this marketplace have cool featured sales... Users can click a link that promotes the sale and tallies it to be featured.

Don't hate me, Just ideas.
These are really good suggestions. It's tough for me to say too much without giving it away, but the new MP will be much like this. Your PP information will be built in so people can buy straight from you, etc.

I've got some ideas about having a random Marketplace thread (using an actual algorithm. Not just a random sales thread) from each category instead of the the ones with the latest posts in them. I think this will help out a lot.


And you guys (and gals) are right. If something I do doesn't work out, I'll change it. I know a lot of things seem like a great idea in theory and then they just don't work out in the real world.

[mawt]

How long until the new marketplace greg?

[Greg-J]

I'd love to have it done in a couple weeks, but we'll see. I have one other obligation that takes priority over everything else right now.

[candysplash]

Whatever you do, i'm sure it'll be great.

[RKGraphics]

Hi everyone.

Just a friendly reminder to not post marketplace rules in other people's threads. I handle things behind the scenes via pm's and clean up threads as needed. If you think there's an issue that may have been missed, please pm me the details and I'll look in to it.

Just as much as we want the rules to be followed, we also don't want to ruin their paid threads by referencing some rule that they may have broke. :) Just let me know and I'll look in to it for you, or just know that I'm probably already dealing with it.

Thanks

[jessidel]

sorry, i was in foreign countries when all this talk about the marketplace went down.....

is it outside the realm of possibility to have TWO Latest Threads sections on the main page? One for the Marketplace and one for everything else?

Marketplace items would stay longer in their respective Latest Thread section and the same for other MSP business...

[Greg-J]

sorry, i was in foreign countries when all this talk about the marketplace went down.....

is it outside the realm of possibility to have TWO Latest Threads sections on the main page? One for the Marketplace and one for everything else?

Marketplace items would stay longer in their respective Latest Thread section and the same for other MSP business...
I don't know if I'll spend the time to put one up before I change over the layout or not, but the short answer is yes.

I'm pretty sure I'll be able to let you customize what forums you want your 'latest threads' to come from.

[jessidel]

No, wouldn't make sense to spend the time on that now with changes coming.

Thanks for answering...

I don't know if I'll spend the time to put one up before I change over the layout or not, but the short answer is yes.

I'm pretty sure I'll be able to let you customize what forums you want your 'latest threads' to come from.

[alex_ph]

will i be banned if i post something like "nice gens.ill buy some as soon as i finish my site"? im really sorry for being a dum-dum. im a newbie and honestly im doing it partly because i wanna acquire those precious "15" posts so that i will be able to sell in the Marketplace. But the "im interested in" part is true though..
Hope i wont get banned. Thanks =]

[minnseoelite]

will i be banned if i post something like "nice gens.ill buy some as soon as i finish my site"? im really sorry for being a dum-dum. im a newbie and honestly im doing it partly because i wanna acquire those precious "15" posts so that i will be able to sell in the Marketplace. But the "im interested in" part is true though..
Hope i wont get banned. Thanks =]


you won't get banned but your post will be deleted and you'll get a warning.

[Taghyra]

will i be banned if i post something like "nice gens.ill buy some as soon as i finish my site"? im really sorry for being a dum-dum. im a newbie and honestly im doing it partly because i wanna acquire those precious "15" posts so that i will be able to sell in the Marketplace. But the "im interested in" part is true though..
Hope i wont get banned. Thanks =]


You don't have to bump anymore! YAY FINALLY GOT THOSE 15!

But no, unless you're buying I don't think you can...

[offthedome]

will i be banned if i post something like "nice gens.ill buy some as soon as i finish my site"? im really sorry for being a dum-dum. im a newbie and honestly im doing it partly because i wanna acquire those precious "15" posts so that i will be able to sell in the Marketplace. But the "im interested in" part is true though..
Hope i wont get banned. Thanks =] I think posting something like that is in bad taste because it might make it harder for the seller to sell if you do that. Generally posts like that are the forbidden posts.

That's more of an opinion though. I'll let a mod give a yes or no.

//EDIT: Beaten to it :)

[alex_ph]

I know. Im really sorry. I just really wanna create a new thread to sell my graphics. I cant post on the threads that sell graphics or layouts coz i dont have my own site yet and i cant afford to buy those coz im still a student lol.
Thanks for the reply, buddy! =]

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@TAGHYRA: i cant create a new thread in the Marketplace unless i have 15 posts. I already had 22 posts for the Designers Corner but i have to have a separate 15 posts as well if i wanna create a thread in another Forum. a new rule i guess=] thanks for the replies guys

i prefer getting warned than being banned immediately lol=]

[Andrew2]

You just need your post count, which is displayed on the top right side of each of everyone's posts, to say 15 Posts then you can post a marketplace thread. :-/

[alex_ph]

You just need your post count, which is displayed on the top right side of each of everyone's posts, to say 15 Posts then you can post a marketplace thread. :-/

i already have 30 but each time i try and create a new thread i get this:
Attention!
You may purchase a Marketplace thread at any time, but you may not create a thread in The Marketplace until you have15 posts. Please ensure that you have 15 posts before attempting to create a thread in The Marketplace. This step is in effort to make The Marketplace more secure.

We appreciate your understanding,
Thank you.

i dont know what im missing but i was able to create a thread in the Designers Corner but not here :?

[Andrew2]

everyone sees that everytime we post a new marketplace thread.
It's permanently there.

Marketplace is a business place, the designer's thread is just another thread.

[xJennax]

Do you know that you have to pay $5 to make a marketplace thread?

[Taghyra]

i already have 30 but each time i try and create a new thread i get this:


i dont know what im missing but i was able to create a thread in the Designers Corner but not here :?

You still see it even after you have 1,000 posts lol.... just go ahead and create the thread, you also need to pay for the marketplace thread.

[alex_ph]

Yeah i get it now. i need to pay 5 USD for a thread LOL. im sorry. i thought if i have 15 posts, creating a thread will be free. which i think is really dumb coz a lot of people will flood MP with nonsense stuffs LOL. sorry. its a business place right?!
Buying now. Thanks for the help =]

[TaintedPearls]

Have these rules changed? I see people "bumping" their threads alot with "all packs sent" I haven't looked through all pages but I've seen this and was wondering if they'd changed. Also, as far as rule 1, does that mean you can sell glitters, layouts, and captions all in one thread or there is no limit to the number of glitters you can sell in that thread. Kinda confused on these rules.

[minnseoelite]

people may post "business" related comments in their threads, informing people their packs have been tagged and sent is ok. you may sell as many glitters in your packs as you like and you may sell "mixed" offers of layouts and graphics together and may post links to your previous sales in your ORIGINAL POST.

what you cannot do is create a sales thread for a pack and then come back later and make a new post in that thread for a new pack you made, for that you will have to buy a new thread.

[TaintedPearls]

Ohhhhhhh ok thanks for clearing it up.

[JazzyJazzdotnet]

Ok, so saying "Bob your pack is tagged & sent" is okay, even though it bumps your thread for no important reason?

Personally, I dont mind, I just want to be clear on this. Because aswell, I do see A L O T of people bumping their threads like that. And although I have wanted to tell someone their pack has been sent, or tagging was done, or what not, I have been afraid to- because I thought it was against rules.

[Nora]

Ok, so saying "Bob your pack is tagged & sent" is okay, even though it bumps your thread for no important reason?

Personally, I dont mind, I just want to be clear on this. Because aswell, I do see A L O T of people bumping their threads like that. And although I have wanted to tell someone their pack has been sent, or tagging was done, or what not, I have been afraid to- because I thought it was against rules.
I used to be afraid to do that too but everybody's doing so I started doing it too.
I think it should be cleared up though, not posting 'packs sent' messages because you're afraid to could hurt sales if people think you're not taking any action when people buy..

[Andrew2]

The rules were made to control spammy bumping, you can update your thread.. You do what you gotta do, just don't clog the forum with all your posts like "These are still available". I've never been told to shut up and I pretty much post whatever I want in my threads but you don't see my threads constantly on the homepage unless other users are buying/if its active because I don't persistantly post in there everyday, hogging up attention and such. Don't let the rules make you feel uncomfortable :] I think the rules are out of wack, but at least the moderators are leniant... That's the only reason I still post in the marketplace.

[RKGraphics]

for the most part we are focusing on the spam of those who are not interested in buying, but to just post nonsense or spam. we also are looking for people who are constantly posting the same things to bump their thread. like "still available" but with no other updates to the actual sale.

we are still working on a "newer" type of marketplace and until then the rules are there for guidance mainly.

[JazzyJazzdotnet]

Thanks for clearing it up; I feel much better hehe ;)

[ladee_tee]

Are we allowed to lets say sell stuffs in one thread like

Site Links
Custom Graphics
& More in one thread?

[MKInfo]

Not unless it is a package deal.

[Andrew2]

You can post as many things as you want in the thread, but you can't go back and have a moderator add another item to it.

Rules say:

You may sell as many things as you want in the Original Post of your Marketplace thread.

[ladee_tee]

Thanks Andrew at first when MKinfo said no then i was like omg, i'm in trouble

but thanks.

[MKInfo]

Well I have changed the rules.
Kidding :biggrin: :biggrin:

Andrew is of course correct. My bad. I should really finish my first coffee of the day before reading the forums.
:oops:
Please accept my apologies ladee_tee

[ladee_tee]

Its okay, lol i was just like scared thought i was gonna get in trouble.

[SamOwen]

Rule enforcement has really been lax lately. I see all kinds of off comments in sales threads.

[Andrew2]

lol i looked at one thread today that had 13 replies...

10 were made by the original post.

[Taghyra]

Yup, I see it all the time, that's why I'm done selling, nothing its been enforced... =]

[CharmRoyal]

Moderators are too busy closing and deleting threads for no apparent reason

They don't have time for the Marketplace which initially was the most important part of this forum

What a joke!

[Greg-J]

Moderators are too busy closing and deleting threads for no apparent reason

They don't have time for the Marketplace which initially was the most important part of this forum

What a joke!
Actually, initially, the Marketplace wasn't the most important part of the forum.

I have received 0 complaints about the Marketplace and no discussion about any complaints about the Marketplace in the Mods Forum have taken place. If you 'see it all the time' and bring to my attention - and nothing is done about - then sure go ahead and call it a joke.

I can't speak for all the mods, but I don't see marketplace threads so I have to rely on members to come to me when they see a problem.

What I did get however, were a series of complaints about how strict the Marketplace was being enforced. When we lightened up, the complaints went away. Now it's too relaxed...

[minnseoelite]

I use to get PM's from members when they would see thread bumping and spamming but have not received anything for a few months now. I think part of it might be that when we had a marketplace mod I got use to not having to check the marketplace all the time.

[Greg-J]

I use to get PM's from members when they would see thread bumping and spamming but have not received anything for a few months now. I think part of it might be that when we had a marketplace mod I got use to not having to check the marketplace all the time.
Indeed. Since Tina took leave we haven't had a dedicated Marketplace Mod. I'm thinking jessidel, what do you think?

[mrs brightside]

Andrew2 plz.

[Greg-J]

Andrew2 plz.
Andrew2 and I are discussing him modding something else at the moment, but I appreciate the suggestion.

[GREGO]

I think Jessidel would make an excellent marketplace mod

[Taghyra]

I use to get PM's from members when they would see thread bumping and spamming but have not received anything for a few months now. I think part of it might be that when we had a marketplace mod I got use to not having to check the marketplace all the time.

That's because there was "nothing that could be done about it". I know I was one of the people PM'ing mods for various reasons... I just got tired of it, and eventually gave up, just like I'm giving up on trying to sell my stuff here...

[MKInfo]

I have had one complaint in the last ...............well since I started modding again.
I pmed the offender and deleted a post.
I am sure it is stated somewhere in a long lost post (probably older than me :P ) that if you have a complaint about a Marketplace thread you started you can have the posts removed etc etc.



Anyway I can't hang around in this thread I have 35 new ones I have to delete before I go to bed :biggrin:

[CharmRoyal]

I think we shouldn't have to PM mods our concerns

They should do their job and find the people not following the rules themselves

[minnseoelite]

I think we shouldn't have to PM mods our concerns

They should do their job and find the people not following the rules themselves

Trust me you don't want me moderating the marketplace ;) I'm sure 75% of peoples posts I would see as bumping and would close peoples sales threads after the first verbal warning.

@Grego

I agree

[MKInfo]

Same old same old.
Give me your address and I will come around and do your housework too.
Try this
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=27

[GREGO]

Same old same old.
Give me your address and I will come around and do your housework too.
Try this
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=27

I just may take you up on that offer :)

[jessidel]

*flips hair* I think my amazing powers would be wasted as just a "marketplace" mod.

teehee.

[MKInfo]

:biggrin: I just may take you up on that offer :)

You don't want to do that. I chew cushions and bark all day.

[MKInfo]

*flips hair* I think my amazing powers would be wasted as just a "marketplace" mod.

Me too.Everyone just Pm's me for cheap graphics now.I have every pack ever made and you can't even see the original tags.
http://www.myemailemoticons.com/drop_down/funny/funny_15.gif

[RKGraphics]

i think jess would make a great mod. make her supermod, but primarily mod the marketplace. she's super duper.

[RKGraphics]

I have received 0 complaints about the Marketplace and no discussion about any complaints about the Marketplace in the Mods Forum have taken place. If you 'see it all the time' and bring to my attention - and nothing is done about - then sure go ahead and call it a joke.


ok wait, you tell us to pm you, and when we - meaning the members - do...its either dismissed, you're too busy...we get banned...

no you are not superman, but i think you need to look at what you're writing and asking of us...then follow through and stop being so contradicting of what you say.

i've always supported you greg, but being away for awhile and then looking back on it all...there's too much to just say its all us. sorry kiddies, you guys make it really hard to be around too. oh yes, i said it. im the ONLY one that might have the balls enough to say it. business went down the drain when the firesales attracted all the kiddies. since the sale, the premium designers have been struggling and the forum has become mainly graphics now. i think the was the biggest mistake the forum made. good for buyers.

when people opened their hearts to me, with the recent events....i saw senior members coming out of the woodwork. people that i value and value their opinions and advice. they just lurk around here now. its been that way for a very long time. it would be nice to see what they have to say on other topics. but the topics would just get pushed down with all the marketplace threads.

[Andrew2]

i'm not superman either :(


















sorry this was a great oppertunity ;) lol

[nsmchris]

i think jess would make a great mod. make her supermod, but primarily mod the marketplace.

I Agree. Tina took crap from people who thought she was "only" a marketplace mod.

[Greg-J]

ok wait, you tell us to pm you, and when we - meaning the members - do...its either dismissed, you're too busy...we get banned...

no you are not superman, but i think you need to look at what you're writing and asking of us...then follow through and stop being so contradicting of what you say.

i've always supported you greg, but being away for awhile and then looking back on it all...there's too much to just say its all us. sorry kiddies, you guys make it really hard to be around too. oh yes, i said it. im the ONLY one that might have the balls enough to say it. business went down the drain when the firesales attracted all the kiddies. since the sale, the premium designers have been struggling and the forum has become mainly graphics now. i think the was the biggest mistake the forum made. good for buyers.

when people opened their hearts to me, with the recent events....i saw senior members coming out of the woodwork. people that i value and value their opinions and advice. they just lurk around here now. its been that way for a very long time. it would be nice to see what they have to say on other topics. but the topics would just get pushed down with all the marketplace threads.
I've never banned a member for coming to me with a concern. In the past I have been too busy to respond to all PM's, and in your case - yes, there was an issue where you wanted a specific result that I wasn't willing to provide. I can't always oblige what people request and there's only so far I'll go toward intervening between two people.

As for the rest of your message, I don't really have a response. If someone is going to wait this long to speak about issues past, there's as much fault in waiting to discuss it as there is in the issue.

This community is what it is. It's constantly changing and the atmosphere will never stay the same. The same is true for DP, SP, v7n, and all the other web master forums on the net. They're all very different than they were just a year or two ago. Communities change, it's their nature. There's no way to stop it.

[mawt]

I Agree. Tina took crap from people who thought she was "only" a marketplace mod.

Because thats what she was... she didn't need special treatment.

[crimsonangel]

Because thats what she was... she didn't need special treatment.
Not taking sides or anything like that but I thought that Tina was only a marketplace mod. No biggie to me. I also wish people would respond back to PM's. It is very frustrating and unprofessional! Maybe that didn't belong here either. Oh Well!
:rolleyes:

[minnseoelite]

Because thats what she was... she didn't need special treatment.

No she started as a marketplace mod but was moved up to a full mod.

[mawt]

No she started as a marketplace mod but was moved up to a full mod.

Gee I must of missed the memo.

[minnseoelite]

Both myself and her tried telling you, andrew, sergio, and jordan. i remember her posting it in a thread you guys was having a dispute in and I know I PM'd one of you and she did too. The response we got back was "Until Greg says it I'm not going to acknowledge it".

[Andrew2]

^ More dramaz? *sigh*
1) Greg told me in a private conversation that she was a marketplace mod and nothing more...
2) Greg told jordan that she was limited to the marketplace with her moderation power.

Her name was not bold for a very long time.

Also.. Why are we arguing over this? Who cares :s We need to start looking towards the future and forgive & forget those in the past, That's the problem with many of you msp members. I can't believe we're being put into a group and held against for thinking someone was a marketplace mod, Honestly?

Jessidel, You're the new marketplace mod :P (you have my vote)

[mawt]

Both myself and her tried telling you, andrew, sergio, and jordan. i remember her posting it in a thread you guys was having a dispute in and I know I PM'd one of you and she did too. The response we got back was "Until Greg says it I'm not going to acknowledge it".

Yeah- I have no clue what your talking about... unless you have this conversion/thread someone "I'm not going to acknowledge it" ;)

I just said I didn't know she was a full mod thats all.

EDIT:// It's nice to see you changed that post andrew, it wasn't very nice was it.

[Andrew2]

Yes, I'm practicing to be president.

[Greg-J]

I can only assume this was before she was made a full mod. Regardless, she stepped down from being a mod some time ago so it's a moot point now.

[jessidel]

Random outburst: I love the word "moot"


I can only assume this was before she was made a full mod. Regardless, she stepped down from being a mod some time ago so it's a moot point now.

[Andrew2]

It's the word Cows use for Silence.

[RKGraphics]

i have most of those mentioned on ignore. simply because they didnt respect me either as a marketplace mod or full mod. but no need to rehash this topic. point is, those boys didnt respect me....period. and i dont care. its not anything to bring up anymore. it will just cause more problems.

[RKGraphics]

I've never banned a member for coming to me with a concern. In the past I have been too busy to respond to all PM's, and in your case - yes, there was an issue where you wanted a specific result that I wasn't willing to provide. I can't always oblige what people request and there's only so far I'll go toward intervening between two people.

As for the rest of your message, I don't really have a response. If someone is going to wait this long to speak about issues past, there's as much fault in waiting to discuss it as there is in the issue.

This community is what it is. It's constantly changing and the atmosphere will never stay the same. The same is true for DP, SP, v7n, and all the other web master forums on the net. They're all very different than they were just a year or two ago. Communities change, it's their nature. There's no way to stop it.

actually, i've voiced my concerns about this so many times, proof to show you how nobody with power listens. or does anything.

[Taghyra]

Hellooo. I don't wanna make a new thread but.... yeah, I paid for a thread and now that I'm trying to make it, it's asking me to pay again, and I'm NOT :|

Payment from Denise Garcia xg3m1nix@hotmail.com
Unique Transaction ID #23M436088R418853K

Aug. 28, 2008 Payment To CedarRock Completed ... -$5.00 USD

[jessidel]

Hi Ya'll! If you're new, or you've been around so long that you've gotten comfortable..... please take a moment to re-read the marketplace rules!

Please no posting in a sales thread unless you are BUYING. If you have questions, comments, or concerns about the thread, please PM the seller.

Thanks! :biggrin:

[jessidel]

Just a friendly reminder... Please read the marketplace rules before posting new threads.

The marketplace is free now, but the rules still apply.


Thanks!