When to ban? When not to ban?

[Greg-J]

A lot of discussion has been raised about banning. Quite a few people have a problem with banning in general. It's from those people I'd like to know: When is it okay to ban someone?


The question is simple: What kind of behavior constitutes a ban?

[Nora]

I think its okay to ban people who only come here to spam their products and sites or those who scam people constantly.
If users are rude just for the fun of it and don't contribute to the forum I also think they deserve to be banned.

[nina]

Nora's post reflects my thoughts exactly. :D
On another forum i used to post on, I got banned for a single sarcastic comment. I thought that was pretty unfair, & personally (i don't know if it is or not like that here) I think sarcasm/ slightly rude but honest posts shouldn't be an offense that you get a warning/ ban for.

[Andrew2]

Permanent Ban for scammers and spammers (people who sign up for msp solely to post spam to advertise affiliate links or other sites) ..

Temporary Ban for harassment, attacking / criticizing (in a harmful manner-without anyone asking for criticism) other members via posts, user spam (when a user spams the forum with their link or uses their signature to spam but is a contributing member of the forum).

Fact that some people can get away with harassing other people is stupid.. And it pisses me of that it's tolerated.

I've been banned for just about everything, some of the bans were reasonable and I understood them, others were completely stupid and useless (very biased).

OMG YU HURTED MY FRIENDZ FEELINGS U R SO BANNED.

[zodiac01]

permanent ban for anyone banned 3+ times.

[olesh999]

Permanent Ban for scammers and spammers (people who sign up for msp solely to post spam to advertise affiliate links or other sites) ..

Temporary Ban for harassment, attacking / criticizing (in a harmful manner-without anyone asking for criticism) other members via posts, user spam (when a user spams the forum with their link or uses their signature to spam but is a contributing member of the forum).

Fact that some people can get away with harassing other people is stupid.. And it pisses me of that it's tolerated.

I've been banned for just about everything, some of the bans were reasonable and I understood them, others were completely stupid and useless (very biased).

OMG YU HURTED MY FRIENDZ FEELINGS U R SO BANNED.

agree with you on everything but this one "criticizing (in a harmful manner-without anyone asking for criticism) other members via posts"

I dont think that criticizing is wrong even if is not called for. as long as is directed in a respectul and polite maner.

[Ajay]

Agree with two posts above, but would like to add that in a situation where a <startoldpeoplespeak>flame war</endoldpeoplespeak> breaks out... just temp ban all parties involved. Equal retaliation to an attack is just as bad as the intial post/argument that started the whole mess. when you are deciding on a ban, just be objective and leave your personal opinions about the users at home.

EDIT: i mean andrew2 and nora's posts, not the olesh :/ i typed too slow.

ALSO, I agree with mkinfo below... if people are banned give them a clear reason, and state it publicly why a user was banned. just so everyone doesn't get confused. I think most people want full disclosure when it comes to this... ok, i've read that things are going on behind the scenes amongst the mods to come to decisions about banning, but kindly relay your reasoning once you are done your discussions and have taken action.

[MKInfo]

All of the above.
One thing that sort of bothers me is that people just suddenly appear as banned. That is when the questions and speculation start. Recently in one of my threads a "new" user who posted some quite informative info was banned.
I read all posts by said user and couldn't find any reason for the ban. This lead me to speculate that it was someone who was banned for multiple accounts (after a previous ban).

A banned section with locked threads would be good just to inform the community who has been banned and why as we sometimes come across the same people on other forums.

[Andrew2]

agree with you on everything but this one "criticizing (in a harmful manner-without anyone asking for criticism) other members via posts"

I dont think that criticizing is wrong even if is not called for. as long as is directed in a respectul and polite maner.


I know, that's why I said harmful manner.. :P

[84creations]

People who are scammers - doesent matter what their status is here, if they scam someone, they should be banned perm.

People who post continous rude/hateful remarks - some people have a sarcastic attitude and they may not mean the post as a rude remark so they should watch how they word things. myself, I may retype what I have to say because if could offend someone when I absoletuly mean no harm, its just the way I talk.

Posting mean things in marketplace (saying "this sucks"...etc.) - We pay for our posts, you dont have to post "Its not my style", "Ill pass on this", "I would buy but my Paypal is low on funds right now" etc.... If you have to absoletly get that out of your system send us a PM, when we see our thread on the main page, usually we expect to see something like "payment sent" or something like that.

Posting anything racist - ex: If person A posts a picture of alot of dudes in the back of a pickup truck, then person B posts "thats so {RACE}". Some people may get offended, while person B meant no harm in his/her post , its just the way they talk, so they need to think about what they are about to post.

Posting porn - 'nuff said

PM spammers (Ive gotten 3 or 4 or the same exact PM's by the same person for link exchanges and seen that person posting in almost every link exchange topic...the same post "my site is blahblah.com send me a PM to link exchange") that gets veru annoying! I understand they want link exchanges but dont post in every available link exchange thread and PM the same thing.

The Mods and Greg are working hard to keep this place in order we do not need to be nosey like a lil kid asking why why why.. They were obviously warned before and continued to disobey the rules or what not so they got Banned!


EDIT: wow there was only 1 reply when i started this post :P

[84creations]

Temporary Ban uses their signature to spam but is a contributing member of the forum

I do agree with you about banning members who use their sig to spam, although I havent seen it yet. I Seen a mod somewhere you can choose to see the sigs or not...this would help. IMO. If you dont want to see their sig, just turn it off :)

[mawt]

I think someone who doesn't support myeeos or won't be advertising it shouldn't be banned. Someone (can't remember) named that as a reason people were banned. But we didn't join msp to promote some other social network.

[Connections]

i think davidR should be un banned in a month, give him time to cool off lol...

sure he was a lil annoying at times, but he has been on here a long time and was only pointing out his point of view about myeeos..

he was all ways posting funny comments which was good....

[CharmRoyal]

I don't think there should be a "temporary" ban at all. It should only be permanent ban.

I only think people should be banned who have scammed people and spammed the forum. They should only be banned if we have proof.

I don't think people should be banned for saying something someone else doesn't agree to.

[MyspaceMom]

One reason I dont ban is becuase of proxy IP's, banning one member could accidentally ban 10 others inadvertently :/

Spammers go to a spammers usergroup etc. no posting permissions etc.

We even have a usergroup for Trolls that allows them to still post in one private forum . HAHA Its fun for bored times.

At my place we have ON TOPIC forums and there is a forum for just about every topic so theres no need to go out of topic. Defying this after constant warning gets you restricted. You cant send PM's go in certain forums etc (usergroup changed). If you flame for being restricted, you get masked from all forums. So really its sorta like bing banned LOL. About every 5 months or so I clear the restriced users and put them back into registered.

People I have banned, have been for excessive flaming and by excessive I mean REALLY bad. Not just.. "your stupid" kinda stuff. I've also banned a few copyright infringer's.

I try NEVER to close posts. In the end it just PO's the people involved on both sides and they will talk off line or in another forum (really bad for you, can kill a forum). So we have debate forum and a "hash it out" forum. The hash it out forum requires a post count so our new comers dont think we are completely off our rockers for having posts like that. LOL

To this day.. as nasty as people can be to each other in the "hash it out" forum. They tend to put it under the rug and forgive each other. Or, it burns out on its own. If a member has a problem with another member... Odds are they are gonna find a snippy response to all their posts.. best to let em lay it on the table and work it out. Honest to goodness. IT WORKS. I haven't ever had anyone leave over a bad hash it out post.

Not really sure how any of my techniques will help here becuase this is more a professional forum (mine is a forum for moms) but you have a lot of off topic forums so my assumption is that you want it to be a fun hang out for lots of off topic stuff too. :)

So my answer would be Ban = almost never. So many times I've had to swallow my own pride to enforce this becuase users can be really rude and hurtful but being rude because they are upset about something doesn't make them ban-able to me.

Hope my opinion helps. I don't really know the circumstances surrounding your resent troubles. So I don't know if it will help you but I hope it does. :) I had 900 K in posts last year and very little drama. :)

[applebooty]

I think it should be more on a case by case basis. Scammers and spammers should be banned permanently, and everyone else (just about) deserves a second chance. What could they have done that was *that bad*? Most of the people that are banned right now, or have been banned recently, were banned because they gave their opinion too harshly for some "men" D:

[peanut]

The people that were recently banned were warned over and over and over by what the Mods and Greg says. Some of them were banned numerous times as a warning but they continued what they were warned not to do.

When told not to make threads for no other reason then to cause trouble and you are warned through PM by the highers and then you come in the next day and do it again that in itself is total disrespect for what was asked of you.

Actually Greg nor the Mods really dont need to explain themselves to anyone. There is much that is said to these people behind closed doors that many including myself have no clue of.

I say if you dont like it then you know not to type in the url to MSP. No one is forcing you to come here and most are here just to make a buck and contribute nothing other then whining about who is banned and shouldnt be. I say Grow up and get a life its only a forum.

As I read through many of these posts here on MSP I see more and more people that act like children rather then grown adults. And if you actually think the ones banned arent here under a different name look around hard cause Im sure many of you that advicate them being unbanned have gotten PMs from them pleading their case as they whine whine whine.

Its real simple here. Stay cool and dont try to cause Drama and trouble and your good.

If you do it and are warned over and over for doing so then one day your time will come and you will be gone.

[Anne]

well said peanut..........

[thplooy]

The people that were ..................

I agree with your statement.

btw,
Offending postings are often removed from the forum, therefore other users can't really know why someone got a ban.

Maybe it's a good idea to have a forum section for user bans announcements, writable for admins and mods and read only for the rest.

Some examples:
User adad has a permanent ban for spamming
User rwerw has a temp ban for 1 week for being disrespectful..

etc etc.

[RKGraphics]

yes true. we try to deal with the offending posts, and those involved behind the scenes so not to cause a ruckus. however that has been a challenge in recent cases.

[peanut]

I agree with your statement.

btw,
Offending postings are often removed from the forum, therefore other users can't really know why someone got a ban.

Thats the thing its really no ones business but the Mods and the owner of the site who got banned and why. If they got banned they did something wrong. No justifying is needed to the members. If you dont trust your Mods and owner then you need not be here to begin with.

The admin here dont need the BS Drama. If you are to do business as an adult then damn act like one and stop all the BS whining and drama. And please stop saying the admin are banning all the buyers when in reality the people you speak of made a decision to not follow the rules set forth by the owner and Mods of the site.

Rock on people...

[Nora]

Thats the thing its really no ones business but the Mods and the owner of the site who got banned and why. If they got banned they did something wrong. No justifying is needed to the members. If you dont trust your Mods and owner then you need not be here to begin with.

The admin here dont need the BS Drama. If you are to do business as an adult then damn act like one and stop all the BS whining and drama. And please stop saying the admin are banning all the buyers when in reality the people you speak of made a decision to not follow the rules set forth by the owner and Mods of the site.

Rock on people...
You're right but would this forum really be that great if some of the most active members left because they feel things aren't fair?

[Sergio]

Many of you are pointing out the obvious (spamming, etc). In my opinion people should only be banned if they offend someone.

Banning is as simple as 1, 2, 3:
1st offense, warning
2nd, one day ban
3rd, permanent

We could start fresh and forget about what everyone has done, let go of grudges, and then go by those rules. This forum needs some actual rules and not just norms. It may seem a bit strict but people (including myself) will cool down when actual rules are set in stone.

DONT BAN ME BRO!

[123alex]

I agree with Peanut, you hit the nail on the head.

[RKGraphics]

i really am on board with what peanut said.

nora, what you consider is not fair, may not be the perception of the majority of the forum. if you guys leave because of your own feelings then we wont stop you.

[RKGraphics]

ok, not to get off topic. but i keep seeing this "the people that are getting banned are what make the forum" or "some of the most active members may leave"...

tell you what, a long time ago we had a lot of very active members. they made what the forum was then, they have left due to their own reasons....it was sad to see them stop posting, but the forum has moved on. people come and people go. you choose to be here under the current way things are, or you move on.

i highly doubt that all these people you speak of contribute way more than others. who i may think is very active and helpful, may not be the same for you. the forum will thrive and go through its cycles as it always has.

[Andrew2]

I'm putting my user foot down.

DavidR is not a scammer, He's not a spammer. He was "Warned" before about different things, The fact that he shared his thoughts about something aka "THE ALMIGHTY OPINION" always gets him banned. Other users "post their opinion" and it gets to stay there, but if anyone replies to them it's considered "flaming" or "harassing". I hated Omen for the longest time, He was a douche bag to me and alot of people but in the long run I'd so rather have omen than quite a few of the people in this forum since he was more intelligent, clever and very opinionated and one of my frequent buyers. Jordan, He's what a 15 year old graphic designer who owns a small site? He posts on the forum every other day, He shares his opinion, Sells items, and writes in the random discussion thread. Does that sound like ANY of you?

You can say they were "warned about it" all you want, but we all know what we see and most of us agree that it was an unfair banning. Seriously, any banning of theirs. I agree to take the temporary banning out, Let people share their opinions.. People love drama for crying out loud. Ban the people who post spam or scam users, If someone is attacking everyone and calling everyone racial terms or simply being here to be malicious to let off some steam or whatever reason or posts lude pictures like that myspace geeks kid then permanently ban them. Or yeah, what about like someone suggested, user groups? Make them worth while... Instead of temporary ban put them in a user group that only has access to the random discussions page! Why is that so hard? I think it's a great idea.

If you've never laughed at anything any of them said, and found all their posts to be abusive, rude or immature then you need a giant breath of fresh air and a bump on your funny bone. They're not bad people, they're just treated like them.

And Peanut, I don't know who you are or where you came from but if you've been here for a month or 2 how can you be so sure what you say is the right thing?

[jessidel]

I'm putting my user foot down.

DavidR is not a scammer, He's not a spammer. He was "Warned" before about different things, The fact that he ......... right thing?


Amen, Brutha.

As for Greg's Question: What kind of behavior constitutes a ban?

Any kind of scamming. Mess with people's money and get banned.

Mess with people's emotions, hurt someone's feelings, start a few flame wars, disregard someone's lifetime achievement in photo shop...... that's life. Get over it. It's not a valid reason to ban someone.

[agoldfinger]

People under the age of 21.


























j/k ;) that won't leave too many people around...

You're not going to write a constitution here. This forum already has it's unwritten codes of behavior and "spirit". If you're enough time here you already know by now what's right and what's wrong.
You can't have rules saying this is rude and this is plain sarcastic. People do know the difference, though. And if they still don't after a warning or two, then I trust the moderators to keep the spirit of the forum positive and constructive.
That's why moderators aren't robots.

[peanut]

I'm putting my user foot down.


And Peanut, I don't know who you are or where you came from but if you've been here for a month or 2 how can you be so sure what you say is the right thing?


Andrew it doesnt matter if its the right thing or not I dont own the forum so I dont make the calls. You and anyone else here are free to go and start their own forum if they dont like the rules that have been set forth at this one.

Now that I have put the blunt statement out their I can honestly say that if you actually read what has happened you will see your buddy DavidR was making threads for the sole purpose just to cause trouble. He was warned and he turned around the next day and did it again.

In my eyes that is total disrespect for authority and he pretty much told the Mods and Admins to kiss his *** and he will do as he pleases. It doesnt work that way Andrew regardless if you like it or not. If you are so Hell bent over it Im sure you can be with DavidR forever and ever to live happily ever after. Ask to be banned and you 2 can be together.

Come on grow up already..

[pimpyourdino]

People should be banned if they are just a complete nuisance never contributing to the forum or acting like omen did?

[Andrew2]

If you are so Hell bent over it Im sure you can be with DavidR forever and ever to live happily ever after. Ask to be banned and you 2 can be together.

Come on grow up already..

Same to you as well, I don't know who you're trying to impress or why you are a member on MSP. You say you found MSP from browsing for graphics yet you seem to have a lot to talk about with MyEeos and users being banned and you have what.. 16 posts in the entire forum after being here for a little over a month? I don't talk to david outside of msp, never have... Then again, like you said You don't have to be right since you don't own the forum... However that works. Thanks.

[minnseoelite]

keep it civil people, no need to bash or get personal. this thread is not even about DavidR, Greg simply asked what constitutes a ban in general.

[chprosites]

When people dont follow thread topics and get off on these crazy tangents that are indicative of childish behavior.

[peanut]

Same to you as well, I don't know who you're trying to impress or why you are a member on MSP. You say you found MSP from browsing for graphics yet you seem to have a lot to talk about with MyEeos and users being banned and you have what.. 16 posts in the entire forum after being here for a little over a month? I don't talk to david outside of msp, never have... Then again, like you said You don't have to be right since you don't own the forum... However that works. Thanks.

As to not break any rules here. You have a PM Andrew.

[spotlight-shure]

Permanent Ban for scammers and spammers (people who sign up for msp solely to post spam to advertise affiliate links or other sites) ..

Temporary Ban for harassment, attacking / criticizing (in a harmful manner-without anyone asking for criticism) other members via posts, user spam (when a user spams the forum with their link or uses their signature to spam but is a contributing member of the forum).

Fact that some people can get away with harassing other people is stupid.. And it pisses me of that it's tolerated.

I've been banned for just about everything, some of the bans were reasonable and I understood them, others were completely stupid and useless (very biased).

OMG YU HURTED MY FRIENDZ FEELINGS U R SO BANNED.

I agree with Andrew but i don't think there should be people ganging up on others. This isn't high school you guys and most of the members here are 18+ so they should be old enough to let things go. I'm not saying give in to the younger members, i'm 16 and i know when to shut my mouth. No one should be favored here but looking for trouble shouldn't be allowed either. Just keep it professional.

[Taghyra]

People should be banned if they are just a complete nuisance never contributing to the forum or acting like omen did?

I would have to disagree with you on that... while no one else has helped me here AT ALL, he pretty much put up with everything I asked and helped with everything I needed. Something that you or no one else here has done. I've seen him helping other people too, and I know people here have gotten some kind of help from him. That sometimes he sounds a little rude?? SO BE IT... you're not gonna die because of it...

I think we all here need to GROW UP and be adults about the whole situation, just because someone offended you with their opinion, or you do not necessarily agree with it, doesn't mean is the end of the world. SUCK IT UP and keep living.

So IMO if it doesn't have anything to do with SPAM or something extremely serious, I think anyone should have the right to say whatever they'd like, and rather than a ban everyone needs to deal with everyone else's opinions even if you don't agree...

[RKGraphics]

how about we stay on topic of gregs question.

if you noticed, everything you all have posted for reasons for banning, are reasons people get banned. i haven't seen anything different.

[RKGraphics]

What would this forum do if Tina and I never got into another fight? (joke).
i hope that was a joke because there's no need for you to bring up my name and i dont appreciate it, as i have moved on.

[Taghyra]

how about we stay on topic of gregs question.




So IMO if it doesn't have anything to do with SPAM or something extremely serious, I think anyone should have the right to say whatever they'd like, and rather than a ban everyone needs to deal with everyone else's opinions even if you don't agree...

:punk: :punk: :punk:

I do think some people get banned for stupid stuff......

[Andrew2]

i think everyone's been on topic, no ones talking about easter egg hunting or anything..

[RKGraphics]

the topic is to list reasons for banning, not to go off on a tangent about the issues you have. when i say it, it has just as much weight as when the other mods had mentioned it in this thread. thank you for only responding to mine.

tag...girl i wasn't talking about you, i was generally speaking.

[GREGO]

ayyyy yiy yiy!

I think we should unban the "MSP 4" and then do away with banning all together, except in extreme situations like scamming, stealing or excessive bad behavior.

or picking a fight after saying lets stick to the subject, haha J/k! :)

[Taghyra]

tag...girl i wasn't talking about you, i was generally speaking.

i wuv u

:yes: :yes:

[RKGraphics]

i wuv u

:yes: :yes:

ahem. please stay on topic ;)

rofl.

[Taghyra]

ayyyy yiy yiy!

I think we should unban the "MSP 4" and then do away with banning all together, except in extreme situations like scamming, stealing or excessive bad behavior.


I very much agree! :punk:


ahem. please stay on topic ;)

rofl.


OH NOESSS! lol

[minnseoelite]

or excessive bad behavior.


i know at least one of those "4" was banned because of repeat or "excessive" bad behavior. as another mod pointed out, all the reasons for being banned that people are giving are reasons why we ban people and why those 4 where banned....so if you're trying to plead their case....you're not helping them.

[Anne]

I say let's ban ALL the designers except me........ That way I make a killing and can afford to move to the Bahamas and buy myself a couple three four cabana boys........

OOPS stay on topic Anne, ya nimwit....

[Sergio]

I say let's ban ALL the designers except me........ That way I make a killing and can afford to move to the Bahamas and buy myself a couple three four cabana boys........

OOPS stay on topic Anne, ya nimwit....
:death: You're not funny.

[Taghyra]

i know at least one of those "4" was banned because of repeat or "excessive" bad behavior. as another mod pointed out, all the reasons for being banned that people are giving are reasons why we ban people and why those 4 where banned....so if you're trying to plead their case....you're not helping them.

What's bad behavior for some, is not for others, and doesn't necessarily mean that everyone here was offended by whatever it was said... so obviously I think is not even fair, yes it was probably uncalled for, but hey, there's people like that everywhere, and should we really take our time to worry about that when there's more important things to do? What people say here can't be that bad... come on, is just people typing, how bad can that be?

The fact that you and/or others consider it bad behavior doesn't take away the fact that they were expressing their opinions... which is what I'm against, not letting other express their selves. I'm just saying. Don't ban me cuz I can fight lol

[Ajay]

hmm yea, i browse the forum a lot and the stuff they said didn't really offended me... i mean they post a lot of sarcastic stuff, but i don't think it was devaluing the forum in anyway. it was more funny than offensive. and come on why ban JORDAN for a month that kid is so harmless. anyway back on topic, i guess there needs to be a clear definition of what bad behaviour is.

What's bad behavior for some, is not for others, and doesn't necessarily mean that everyone here was offended by whatever it was said... so obviously I think is not even fair, yes it was probably uncalled for, but hey, there's people like that everywhere, and should we really take our time to worry about that when there's more important things to do? What people say here can't be that bad... come on, is just people typing, how bad can that be?

The fact that you and/or others consider it bad behavior doesn't take away the fact that they were expressing their opinions... which is what I'm against, not letting other express their selves. I'm just saying. Don't ban me cuz I can fight lol

[GREGO]

Yeah, when I say bad behavior, I mean like "Real" bad behavior. Like Barbilee style.


but then again, can we just unban barbilee for like a week or so?? The whole forum could use a good laugh :)

[mrs brightside]

Isn't there a reason for the warning thing? 5 strikes and you're out.

[Sergio]

but then again, can we just unban barbilee for like a week or so?? The whole forum could use a good laugh :)
Are you trying to get me banned?

[GREGO]

Isn't there a reason for the warning thing? 5 strikes and you're out.

yeah how many are you on, like 4 now?


I mean, how do you feel about getting one step closer to ban everytime you make a borderline comment?

[mrs brightside]

yeah how many are you on, like 4 now?


I mean, how do you feel about getting one step closer to ban everytime you make a borderline comment?

Wow are you serious? I wasn't trying to be rude or mean, I was being serious. I don't need your rude remark.

[GREGO]

I wasn't trying to be rude, only to make a point.. the very system you are supporting hasn't necessarily been kind to you or others on this forum

[minnseoelite]

I think the system has been very kind, i mean come on 4 warnings and a member is still here. ANY other forum and they would be gone, banned along time ago. And some people have openly admitted to making a post knowing it would get them a warning, but they did it anyway to look cool, get their 10 seconds of fame, or whatever, rather then taking the time to word themself in a less offensive manner.

i have given warnings to several members that later replied back saying they knew they was out of line before making their post and admitting what they did was kind of dumb. I usually reply back to them and let them know that if they correct the behavior that got them the warning that down the road if i see they have not done anything similar I will reduce their warning (yes i remember the people that i warn). The warning system was designed to work both ways, we can increase or decrease a persons warning level and thats the way I use it. I don't like to be a hard *ss when moderating and i'm usually very laid back, you have to be a real *ss to get me to ban you (or catch me on a bad day lol jk)

[Jordan]

Why the hell was my post deleted? The fact that someone's done that completely proves my point.

[Greg-J]

Why the hell was my post deleted? The fact that someone's done that completely proves my point.
Your post requested Barbilee back. A person who messaged me today telling me they hope my wife and children burn in hell.

If removing your post offends you, I apologize - but recommending someone be brought back that could say something of that nature to someone offends me.

[Jordan]

Your post requested Barbilee back. A person who messaged me today telling me they hope my wife and children burn in hell.

If removing your post offends you, I apologize - but recommending someone be brought back that could say something of that nature to someone offends me.
It was complete sarcasm. I can't stand Barbilee, I just think she's a great source of entertainment. Was it really necessary to delete the entire post though? You could have just removed that sentence, because the rest of my post was trying to make a point that I think all of the members should hear.

[Greg-J]

Sarcasm is lost on me when it involves someone I loathe (barbilee, not you). The only other part of your post was: WORD. I'm putting my member foot down. If removing that offended you, again, I'm sorry. I had made a note to message you about it but other more important issues arose that needed more attention.

[Jordan]

Yeah that was a joke too, the rest of the post was serious though. I had heaps of people asking me why on earth I was banned so I thought I'd try and make it clear to everyone why I was, and how stupid of a reason it was...this thread is about the reasons for banning, and I thought that reason wasn't valid.

[Andrew2]

Yeah that was a joke too, the rest of the post was serious though. I had heaps of people asking me why on earth I was banned so I thought I'd try and make it clear to everyone why I was, and how stupid of a reason it was...this thread is about the reasons for banning, and I thought that reason wasn't valid.

I made a similar joke but someone had a fit about it and had it deleted from another post -_-... Don't blame Greg though ;), You can either give a barking dog a bone or shoot it in the head... :P

I think most of us agree the reasons weren't valid, That's why you're not banned anymore :(
:)

Edit: metaphor is a bit gruesome, I love dogs.. its just a metaphor. sry