Making this forum more active

[Nora]

This last month the forum has been extremely quiet. There are no interesting posts made and it seems like everybody who isn't banned is quieter than usual.
Even though I don't check the marketplace as much as I used to, it all seems a lot quieter as well.
Aren't there forum hacks that will help make the forum more active like features based on user activity? I miss refreshing the homepage just to check all the new posts and threads..

[JazzyJazzdotnet]

I agree. Almost always now when I hit refresh, nothing has changed! :(

[Andrew2]

I think people are sick of being banned, you never know when you'll get banned... users can attack eachother, insult eachother and lie about one another... and nothing ever gets done... while other users simply agree with someone else's post and get banned for what.. agreeing. Greg's not on as much anymore, i dont know if he's still making changes to the marketplace, or the new template.. Haven't heard any updates. Things are winding down, and people are spamming with other forum links so I think there are a lot of contributing factors. I think there's the same number of replies but less topics being posted though, there's never anything new. That's my opinion though, not much we can do.

Also the weekends are always slow, especially sundays... So we'll see what happens next week.

[Nora]

I think people are sick of being banned, you never know when you'll get banned... users can attack eachother, insult eachother and lie about one another... and nothing ever gets done... while other users simply agree with someone else's post and get banned for what.. agreeing. Greg's not on as much anymore, i dont know if he's still making changes to the marketplace, or the new template.. Haven't heard any updates. Things are winding down, and people are spamming with other forum links so I think there are a lot of contributing factors. I think there's the same number of replies but less topics being posted though, there's never anything new. That's my opinion though, not much we can do.

Also the weekends are always slow, especially sundays... So we'll see what happens next week.
Yeah.. :(
I don't blame the people who promote the other forum though, if things were the way they used to be then people wouldn't be looking for a different place to discuss resource sites.

I'm just scared that if something doesn't change soon the forum will die which is sad because the members here are all extremely nice and the forum has a lot of potential.

[Andrew2]

I'm just scared that if something doesn't change soon the forum will die which is sad because the members here are all extremely nice and the forum has a lot of potential.

I wanted to say that I agree with you, but I'd probably get banned for a month.

[George]

Thread closed.

You're all banned.

Thanks.

[lyzyrdgyzyrd]

Seems pretty busy to me. Last week I felt like ranting about the slow flow of offerings in the marketplace, then all of a sudden there's a deluge. Busy busy busy.

[Sergio]

I haven't been posting much unless I actually have something important to say. I've actually been working on sites. I need a loooooot of cash because I'm saving, plus I want to move out by the summer.

There also hasn't been any exciting. No breaking news like when msplinks came out, etc. Most of the threads on the homepage are pointless and will not higher your IQ, thus a waste of time.

[CharmRoyal]

There isn't any interesting posts to me and if there is, I'm afraid to post my opinion. I'm a very blunt person and I'd probably be banned immediately. So I just lurk around and post when I feel it's necessary, which isn't often.

[Anne]

Well, I can say on my part, with the last round petty in-fighting, I've kind of lost my feel for posting.

I like and admire most of the people on this forum, and it bothers me that everyone can't get along. I'm realistic enough to know that everyone will not get along 100% of the time, but I have enough drama and *****ing in my real life that I don't really want it in my online life too.

So, in short, I'll be lurking around, stick my mouth in where it doesn't belong every now and then, sell a pack or two, and just kind of watch it all.

[spotlight-shure]

What's the deal with the banning? Someone got banned for agreeing to something? I haven't been around much so i have no idea what is going on. =/

[Nora]

Seems pretty busy to me. Last week I felt like ranting about the slow flow of offerings in the marketplace, then all of a sudden there's a deluge. Busy busy busy.
Maybe that's just the marketplace.. the rest of the forum is pretty much dead. Only the random discussions forum is a little active. :(

There also hasn't been any exciting. No breaking news like when msplinks came out, etc
Yeah, that's probably also the reason why its really quiet but once news like this comes out there'll be no members left to post because of the constant banning.

There isn't any interesting posts to me and if there is, I'm afraid to post my opinion. I'm a very blunt person and I'd probably be banned immediately. So I just lurk around and post when I feel it's necessary, which isn't often.
I understand how you feel.. but I think that when members are too scared to post because they want to stay out of trouble, there's something very wrong with the forum.

What's the deal with the banning? Someone got banned for agreeing to something? I haven't been around much so i have no idea what is going on. =/
To me it looked like Jordan got banned for not thinking DavidR's post was immature: http://www.myspacepros.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16257&page=2
I thought Greg would look into the whole banning thing after his daughter's birthday but I think that was more than a week ago..

[GREGO]

I think you guys are making too big a deal of this banning thing.. there was only like 4 people banned, not half the forum.. And you can't get banned over dumb little things Or I would have been banned by now.

[Nora]

I think you guys are making too big a deal of this banning thing.. there was only like 4 people banned, not half the forum.. And you can't get banned over dumb little things Or I would have been banned by now.
4 of the most active users on the forum.. for something as stupid as discussing why Myeeos wasn't launched on the date they claimed it would be launched. I won't get into the whole banning thing too much or I'll be banned but I think it was really unfair.

The forum has been quiet even before the bans but I still think that some of the most active users being banned is making this place even quieter. :S

[Adz]

Since people got banned, The forum has been quiet..simple as that.
A lot of people are scared to have their opinion now.

[marshall_26]

I just think it's a busy time of the year.... spring break is around the corner for many people. About the banning thing I really don't have an opinion, except I believe he does what he feels is right for the good of the community. Granted he is probably not always right, but no one is perfect :)

[Sergio]

Since people got banned, The forum has been quiet..simple as that.
A lot of people are scared to have their opinion now.
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[JazzyJazzdotnet]

http://i25.tinypic.com/dfc0sm.jpg

HAHAHA That is the funniest (and most clever) thing ever! Good job!

[MyspaceMom]

Perhaps using the infraction system and only temporarily banning members. I haven't been around for long at all but I run a Big Board and know that banning is bad for moral and I have rarely done it. Maybe 7 people in 2 years and that is with almost 3300 members and 1.1 million posts.

I put them in a restricted usergroup and they lose privileges. ;)

I havent been here very long but I really like it! I have spent more time on here then my own board. teehee Everyone I have interacted with has been great to me and the quality of artists around here is amazing! I like to keep the company of successful webmasters :)

Hope everyone sticks around and starts to post again!!!

[minnseoelite]

Greg has already said he won't ban members just for posting their opinions or disagreeing with him. Its already been mentioned 100 times by several mods and Greg, they were banned for more then just one post, it was an ongoing issue, several warnings, PM's, and promises to Greg which they broke.

As for the forum being quiet, yes it is a little quiet when there is no fighting going on or people trying to cause problems. I have seen a few interesting posts and threads but haven't been posting much myself this week since my daughter almost OD'd and I found out I had to move all in the same week. Once my off line life settles again I'll probably start posting more again. I know a few other active members that are also going through some big changes right now too which is probably why they have not been as active.

[JazzyJazzdotnet]

I'll almost always post, Im usually always bored & online *no life*

EDIT//
Sorry about your daughter Minnseoelite, good luck. Hope she is doing better.

[minnseoelite]

Perhaps using the infraction system and only temporarily banning members.

yes we have been doing that. the members that where recently banned had several infractions and temporary bans before being perm banned ;)

@JazzyJazz

yes she is, thanks :)

[MyspaceMom]

http://i25.tinypic.com/dfc0sm.jpg



:ban: :hang: :dots:


LOL

[Greg-J]

I'm putting a lot of focus on the new forum. I stopped working on it where the beta marketplace is because I'm randomly displaying a lot of debug code and it contains information that average users shouldn't see. As far as people being banned, I'm just tired of constant disrespect being thrown around. Whether it's for myeeos or anything else, there's just no need for it.

[MyspaceMom]

I'm putting a lot of focus on the new forum. I stopped working on it where the beta marketplace is because I'm randomly displaying a lot of debug code and it contains information that average users shouldn't see. As far as people being banned, I'm just tired of constant disrespect being thrown around. Whether it's for myeeos or anything else, there's just no need for it.

Help a noob out.. What new forum?

[nsmchris]

4 of the most active users on the forum.. for something as stupid as discussing why Myeeos wasn't launched on the date they claimed it would be launched. I won't get into the whole banning thing too much or I'll be banned but I think it was really unfair.

The forum has been quiet even before the bans but I still think that some of the most active users being banned is making this place even quieter. :S
Since people got banned, The forum has been quiet..simple as that.
A lot of people are scared to have their opinion now.

Having an attitude and having an opinions are very different. Not sure how many times it needs to be said, but people are not banned for having opinions. Neither are active members banned for first, second, or usually third offenses. Warnings are given and given and given, then short term bans are given, then longer term bans, then permanent bans. It honestly takes a lot of work and effort on a members part to go from 0% warning to permanent ban.

So if you are worried that your opinion will get you banned, then don't. I very much value different opinions and understand that is how society is formed and built on.

[Greg-J]

Help a noob out.. What new forum?
The new version of this forum. MySpacePros.com is turning into SNPros.com and will get a complete make-over.

[Andrew2]

The new version of this forum. MySpacePros.com is turning into SNPros.com and will get a complete make-over.

Hey that's neat, I heard someone mention it but thought they were talking out of their bum (ajay). :yinyang: Now I don't feel so grumpy :D

[peanut]

Some people actually do have a life and dont spend 24/7 online looking at MSP Nora. I read alot but dont really see the need to post everytime I read a thread.

[RKGraphics]

Having an attitude and having an opinions are very different. Not sure how many times it needs to be said, but people are not banned for having opinions. Neither are active members banned for first, second, or usually third offenses. Warnings are given and given and given, then short term bans are given, then longer term bans, then permanent bans. It honestly takes a lot of work and effort on a members part to go from 0% warning to permanent ban.

So if you are worried that your opinion will get you banned, then don't. I very much value different opinions and understand that is how society is formed and built on.

This forum goes through its cycles. The atmosphere today is totally different than a year ago. There's reasons for the silence in some areas. And the influx of posts in others. I think Chris and Greg pretty much explained the banning. It's not due to opinions. The bottom line is everybody is going to assume what they want with the bans, but there's always going to be the "real" reason that 99.99% of the forum won't know. Mods, and Greg take a lot of heat for stuff. There's a lot going on. If you think there's not really much to view....start a subject ;)

[wce]

wait, I'm confused, I thought you were the new myspace rep, i assume sn = social networking.. what will happen with this one? will it be the official myspace forum?

[Andrew2]

I think you people need to realize the forums not just about you, it's about everyone.
Nora cares about the forum, She's not complaining that people need to be on msp 24/7. Forums quiet because of such rude posts.

[pimpyourdino]

I tend to not post as much anymore because I feel that if I tend to post my opinion Ill get banned or some other dumb stuff, I talked to Jordan and he has a whole different story then what the mods are saying so IDK what to do anymore. Not that I'm wanting to post rude remarks but anything that could be borderline controversial I don't post... eh whatever

[Nora]

Some people actually do have a life and dont spend 24/7 online looking at MSP Nora. I read alot but dont really see the need to post everytime I read a thread.
I know that but the forum is pretty much dead compared to what it used to be..
Anyway, I've seen an improvement today.. there are more unread posts than usual.

Having an attitude and having an opinions are very different. Not sure how many times it needs to be said, but people are not banned for having opinions. Neither are active members banned for first, second, or usually third offenses. Warnings are given and given and given, then short term bans are given, then longer term bans, then permanent bans. It honestly takes a lot of work and effort on a members part to go from 0% warning to permanent ban.

So if you are worried that your opinion will get you banned, then don't. I very much value different opinions and understand that is how society is formed and built on.
People are still too scared to post on the forum because they don't know what's acceptable and what isn't. We don't know about previous warnings, we just see members getting banned after sharing their opinion.. no offense to Geg2 but these were a few of the reasons why the members were banned:

- They have stated that they are not interested in promoting myeeos
http://www.myspacepros.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15546
- They assumed that myeeos is delayed without official word from the myeeos team
- They waited until a mod was not around
Seemed to me that these reasons played a bigger part than being banned and warned before. It would be nice if there were clear rules so members don't have to be scared of having an opinion.. :turned:

[RKGraphics]

what you may not realize is some of the people getting banned over something you may take as being lame, actually have a history of very valid reasons for being banned.

there are more than 4 very active members on here. honestly, the 4 or so people being pointed out are just recent cases. there's no banning for posting opinions. but if you're going to go around being rude, calling people names on top of that, then yeah, i think a ban is appropriate.

if you just go ahead and post, use your best judgement on your comment...in almost every case, the post is not going to get you banned. seriously.

its great that people care about the forum so much. but also, if you want to see more topics being discussed, why not start one up yourself? find something interesting to post about :)

and the myeeos thing is an issue that has much more to it that is really only those involved's business. i dont know how many times its been mentioned. sorry if that comes off as rude, im not trying to be rude. but that was a project that has significantly changed and it was said to let those that are dealing with it, deal with it. the people being banned for myeeos reasons have been warned several times to leave it be.

[Nora]

what you may not realize is some of the people getting banned over something you may take as being lame, actually have a history of very valid reasons for being banned.

there are more than 4 very active members on here. honestly, the 4 or so people being pointed out are just recent cases. there's no banning for posting opinions. but if you're going to go around being rude, calling people names on top of that, then yeah, i think a ban is appropriate.

if you just go ahead and post, use your best judgement on your comment...in almost every case, the post is not going to get you banned. seriously.

its great that people care about the forum so much. but also, if you want to see more topics being discussed, why not start one up yourself? find something interesting to post about :)

and the myeeos thing is an issue that has much more to it that is really only those involved's business. i dont know how many times its been mentioned. sorry if that comes off as rude, im not trying to be rude. but that was a project that has significantly changed and it was said to let those that are dealing with it, deal with it. the people being banned for myeeos reasons have been warned several times to leave it be.
I understand that but it still doesn't change the fact that people are too scared to post. Just look at the poll results over here: http://www.myspacepros.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15675

[Andrew2]

Seemed to me that these reasons played a bigger part than being banned and warned before. It would be nice if there were clear rules so members don't have to be scared of having an opinion..

lol that will never happen, there's too much going on behind the scenes that they're too busy to actually let us know what's really going on. Jordan was banned for agreeing, it's that simple. That's what he says, that's what he was told, and that's how it is... Whats dumb is that this will happen again since there's no real rules set, but I think there's no rules so they can ban whoever they don't like and not get their friends banned. I mean come on, it's happened before.. I got threats from a "mod" and I end up getting banned for defending myself. Now if there were rules, they'd realise how biased the whole forum is... I'm sure you understand how easy it is for someone to just say "They were banned for other reasons, stop acting like you know everything cus you don't", when in fact users are banned for the most ridiculous crap ever and indeed we do know why they're banned since DUH we can actually talk to them outside of msp.

I understand that but it still doesn't change the fact that people are too scared to post. Just look at the poll results over here: http://www.myspacepros.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15675

Yeah, that's why I posted that cus some people on msp contacted me (outside of msp) and they didn't really post much on the forum but they had alot to say about it so I felt like seeing what everyone's opinion was.

[geg2]

You've left out the first two bullets I posted.

Also, that was not a list of reasons they were banned. It was a list of common characteristics in response to another post.

I know that but the forum is pretty much dead compared to what it used to be..
Anyway, I've seen an improvement today.. there are more unread posts than usual.


People are still too scared to post on the forum because they don't know what's acceptable and what isn't. We don't know about previous warnings, we just see members getting banned after sharing their opinion.. no offense to Geg2 but these were a few of the reasons why the members were banned:


Seemed to me that these reasons played a bigger part than being banned and warned before. It would be nice if there were clear rules so members don't have to be scared of having an opinion.. :turned:

[minnseoelite]

There should be no reason to be scared of posting. Even if you post something out of line you won't be banned right away, a mod will PM you and ask you to stop and maybe give you a warning but they won't just ban you.

[Andrew2]

There should be no reason to be scared of posting. Even if you post something out of line you won't be banned right away, a mod will PM you and ask you to stop and maybe give you a warning but they won't just ban you.

yeah they will... We're talking about msp, I've gotten like 3 PMs out of like the 8-10 times I've been banned... 2 from ex-mods, one was a rant, one was an apology and the other was from you (most recently).

[RKGraphics]

i understand nora, it doesn't change the fact that people are too scared. i think Greg and the mods know the concerns of posting. we want you guys to post and feel comfortable doing so, even with opinions as harsh as they can be.

with the way i mod, if there's something totally innapropriate, i will pm the person and just let them know. there's usually no banning involved. i mean, again, the people being banned over and over have a history. im not too sure about jordan's case, for agreeing...but i think all of us take each ban case by case, their history, the context...etc. and if greg feels it wasn't warranted he will lift the ban. and im not speaking for him, but right now im sure things are a little bit hectic and im sure he's working on the forum as a whole.

i hope you guys try to participate more and know that we're not out to get anybody. just you nora. ;)

[Nora]

You've left out the first two bullets I posted.

Also, that was not a list of reasons they were banned. It was a list of common characteristics in response to another post.
I know that and the first two would have made sense to me but seeing things like not promoting Myeeos listed as well made me take the first two reasons less seriously.

There should be no reason to be scared of posting. Even if you post something out of line you won't be banned right away, a mod will PM you and ask you to stop and maybe give you a warning but they won't just ban you.
I'm not scared because if I don't feel comfortable on a forum there won't be a reason for me to stay there but other members don't look at it that way, they don't post because they want to stay out of trouble even after reading that people don't get banned for just having an opinion. I think this is the main reason why MSP is becoming so quiet.. just reassuring members that they won't get banned when they post doesn't seem to help :S

[minnseoelite]

yeah they will... We're talking about msp, I've gotten like 3 PMs out of like the 8-10 times I've been banned... 2 from ex-mods, one was a rant, one was an apology and the other was from you (most recently).

yes andrew one was from me, but was it threatening, no. i took what you was saying in another thread to PM and told you that you could speak freely with me to try and resolve the issue, but you never responded.

[geg2]

As I said previously, that was not a list of reasons. If you go back to the thread, you'll see I was responding to another post.

I know that and the first two would have made sense to me but seeing things like not promoting Myeeos listed as well made me take the first two reasons less seriously.


I'm not scared because if I don't feel comfortable on a forum there won't be a reason for me to stay there but other members don't look at it that way, they don't post because they want to stay out of trouble even after reading that people don't get banned for just having an opinion. I think this is the main reason why MSP is becoming so quiet.. just reassuring members that they won't get banned when they post doesn't seem to help :S

[Connections]

wait, I'm confused, I thought you were the new myspace rep, i assume sn = social networking.. what will happen with this one? will it be the official myspace forum?


doesn't SN mean "screen name"

ie form the old days of Screen name forum????

[Andrew2]

yes andrew one was from me, but was it threatening, no. i took what you was saying in another thread to PM and told you that you could speak freely with me to try and resolve the issue, but you never responded.

I'm just saying I got 3 pms, out of 10 bans.. Has nothing to do with what they said, Why would I discuss something with you when I have no idea what you're talking about.

[Sergio]

doesn't SN mean "screen name"

ie form the old days of Screen name forum????
That forum was hardcore.

[Nora]

As I said previously, that was not a list of reasons. If you go back to the thread, you'll see I was responding to another post.
My first thought was that those were the reasons so there are probably more members who thought that way when reading it.

Anyway, how hard is it to make a list of forum rules? If members know they have something to fall back on if they ever get banned maybe they won't be as scared to post..

[minnseoelite]

i've never banned a member for having an opinion. i use the warning system alot and PM's. the only people i ban are spammers, people fighting (if they refuse to stop after being asked), returning banned members, and people that post in a flame thread that does not involve them (again i will PM them first and ask them to stop).

i enjoy most of the members here, even those i don't get along with to well i will still help them and participate in their threads. imo peoples opinions are welcomed even if i don't agree with them :)

[RKGraphics]

because only recently has there ever been a discussion on needing rules. it was never needed. you guys can take that as us being more strict, but its actually completely opposite. we had lots of mods at one time and there was more warnings back then than now, and it was never an issue. things are more leniant now and people are freaking out.

i see your concerns. but now here's my opinion. i think its being over exposed into something that really isn't the rest of the forums business. the reason so and so got banned shouldn't be your concern. i know you guys have your friends. again, these people being banned are either obvously spamming, or causing LOTS of problems, or have had previous warnings. we start with pm's...most people don't tell you that. they dont tell you they were pm'd because of something they said or did, or whatever. if they continue, then the warnings continue, then it ends up as a ban.

again, i want you guys to be here. to post. but if this is going to be an issue being brought up over and over again, no matter what we try to do to accomodate, then maybe its just not working out for you. please dont read in to that too much. but we change our ways so much, and we can't please everybody.

however, your concerns are out there for greg to review.

[nsmchris]

Well to put this in perspective, we are talking 4 bans out of 3500+ members. The murder rate in detroit is probably higher than that.

But yeah, I'd be for abiding by some kind of forum constitution written by the members for the members. But if you think we have problems now, then try to get everyone to agree to that lol.

But honestly, 95% of the problem is bad attitudes and personal sniping. If everyone agreed right now to leave personal issues at the door, we wouldn't have issues here. If everyone agreed only to focus on the positive threads/posts here and ignore the ones intending to cause division, we wouldn't have a majority of the problems either. If everyone here turned their personal feelings one notch down we wouldn't have as many problems.

I'm finished with this topic. The handful of you that are worried can do as you please. I encourage you to move on.

[Nora]

i see your concerns. but now here's my opinion. i think its being over exposed into something that really isn't the rest of the forums business. the reason so and so got banned shouldn't be your concern. i know you guys have your friends. again, these people being banned are either obvously spamming, or causing LOTS of problems, or have had previous warnings. we start with pm's...most people don't tell you that. they dont tell you they were pm'd because of something they said or did, or whatever. if they continue, then the warnings continue, then it ends up as a ban.
I think it is the rest of the forums business. I know that I would no longer feel the need to be here if certain other members were to get banned. I wasn't real friends with any of the users who got banned but I enjoyed reading what they had to say.. not seeing them around here really made this place less interesting.

I do think members get pm'd and warned before getting banned but I really doubt that happened to Jordan because he's been nothing but a helpful member.
I think all of the users who got banned recently were banned because they shared their opinion about Myeeos. Their last posts weren't insults or spam, they just posted their opinions so that DID play a part with them getting banned. Anyway, I don't think talking about the whole banning thing will improve things, even if those users were unbanned, it would surprise me if they still felt the need to come back here.

I hope Greg considers a set of forum rules or at least makes an announcement asking people not to be scared to post. It would also be nice if other issues members have would be dealt with.. right now I think that's more important than working on a new version of the forum.. I really miss what this forum used to be :(

[RKGraphics]

well, thats your opinion. this will be a never ending debate. i dont think its the rest of the forums business on the banning only because we would have to sit here with topics like these explaining the whole process on why they were banned. i feel like a broken record so i wont continue. again, there's so much more of a process with banning. i dont know if you that disagree will ever understand it.

[Andrew2]

please stop arguing.

[RKGraphics]

please stop arguing.

who's arguing? i see this as a healthy debate, one of which i dont see ending.

which could turn unealthy :whackit:

if you dont want to discuss banning because it wont help, then please stop bringing it up.

[Andrew2]

then drop it?

[Nora]

again, there's so much more of a process with banning. i dont know if you that disagree will ever understand it.
I do understand that but what everybody seems to be forgetting is that it are the members who make this forum the forum that is. The forum just isn't the same without them..

I also like really like Myspacemom's idea of restrictions instead of just banning people.. :)

[RKGraphics]

I do understand that but what everybody seems to be forgetting is that it are the members who make this forum the forum that is. The forum just isn't the same without them..

I also like really like Myspacemom's idea of restrictions instead of just banning people.. :)

again, we dont just ban people. <--- i dont think will be understood.

[Nora]

again, we dont just ban people. <--- i dont think will be understood.
I understand that but the users that did get banned got banned for a reason I and other members consider stupid. It doesn't matter how many pm's they received, they were still banned after the Myeeos posts and nothing else. I do understand that Greg doesn't want negative posts on the forum but I've seen worse.

Anyway, discussing why it was wrong or how it should have been handled really won't fix anything. My idea: set the reputation of members that cause trouble back to 0 so they have to earn it back by contributing to the forum.. make competitions so people start making interesting posts again.. only ban people if the only reason they're here is to spam or if they really insult members.

[minnseoelite]

we have been banning members for the same exact reasons as those members where banned at least since last May (when i started modding) and have never had any problems or constantly having to spin our wheels explaining it over and over again. they were banned and members moved on conducting business as usual. if you want to really know how it was it use to be alot more strict then what it is now, there use to be no warning system, if you messed up you got a PM, if you continued you was perm ban none of this 3 day, one month stuff or half a dozen warnings.

that is how things use to work back when the forum was the way you keep saying you wished it was like again. so maybe being easier on offending members is the wrong solution, maybe we need to be more strict again.

[Nora]

we have been banning members for the same exact reasons as those members where banned at least since last May (when i started modding) and have never had any problems or constantly having to spin our wheels explaining it over and over again. they were banned and members moved on conducting business as usual. if you want to really know how it was it use to be alot more strict then what it is now, there use to be no warning system, if you messed up you got a PM, if you continued you was perm ban none of this 3 day, one month stuff or half a dozen warnings.

that is how things use to work back when the forum was the way you keep saying you wished it was like again. so maybe being easier on offending members is the wrong solution, maybe we need to be more strict again.
Maybe its better to have strict rules so members can complain if they feel they were banned without reason than to not see people post because they're too scared. :S
What I've also noticed is that certain warnings only apply to members Greg wants to get rid of while the rest of the forum can just get away with it.

[geg2]

If you think someone needs to be warned about anything, please PM a mod.

We mods all spend an enormous time on the forum but don't always read every post.

I have received just two PMs from people complaining about others in the last month.

Maybe its better to have strict rules so members can complain if they feel they were banned without reason than to not see people post because they're too scared. :S
What I've also noticed is that certain warnings only apply to members Greg wants to get rid of while the rest of the forum can just get away with it.

[Andrew2]

The only people defending the ban have been the mods, obviously that shows something..

If the forum doesn't feel that the ban was legit, then it's not. The forum belongs to us.

[RKGraphics]

it just shows that we have had this banning process in place for a while and like jason said, business as usual. if you have an issue contact a mod, if you have a suggestion then post it in the sub forum. i dont think any member is for banning. so of course the mods are going to be the only ones defending it.

and again, you dont see the pm's that support the banning of certain members. i think the topic is just going in circles at this point.

[minnseoelite]

first andrew you're wrong, second the forum belongs to Greg.

[Andrew2]

I see the PUBLIC posts that suggest the ban was unworthy.

DavidR? Jordan? Why? We all know they snap sometimes, Jordan though? I mean my god, They're banned for their attitudes and opinions since they don't harass people, they don't spam... they don't scam people. If I gave a crap what's going on in private messenger, or behind the scenes I think I'd ask. What's more important is how the public feels then how you guys feel via PM.

You banned jordan for a month. A flipping month. A month for what, What exactly?

Tell us all why Jordan was banned for a month, And then we can compare him to other members.

first andrew you're wrong, second the forum belongs to Greg.

Really? Could of sworn there was a member list with other people, Greg knows the forum belongs to the members. Greg owns his V-Bulletin License and the Domain.. A forum is not ran by the administrators, it's ran by the users. Tell me who else supports jordan/davidr being banned, besides your friends.

and the reason this "topic" about banned users is going in circles is because no ones listening to the members of this forum and giving us a real reason besides "they were warned in the past, there's more going on behind the scenes that you can't see".

[Graphic Addict]

personally, with me, its the streak of bad luck I have been having with the whole Google banning me thing. I got really depressed, and even considered moving away from this niche. BUT I have had a couple days to think aboiut it, and I actually enjoy this not just for the $ I make...

I guess the point I am trying to make is that This forum used to get me EXCITED because everything was going so well, and there were no worries. But now, with the MSP links being warned and google gettinmg tuff on people its like, whats gonna happen next?

I just think that we all need a lil more encouragement, and stick together as a group, and pull through this rut. Then maybe the posts will start flying again. Maybe the forum is going through a "depression era" lol

[RKGraphics]

I see the PUBLIC posts that suggest the ban was unworthy.

DavidR? Jordan? Why? We all know they snap sometimes, Jordan though? I mean my god, They're banned for their attitudes and opinions since they don't harass people, they don't spam... they don't scam people. If I gave a crap what's going on in private messenger, or behind the scenes I think I'd ask. What's more important is how the public feels then how you guys feel via PM.

You banned jordan for a month. A flipping month. A month for what, What exactly?

Tell us all why Jordan was banned for a month, And then we can compare him to other members.



Really? Could of sworn there was a member list with other people, Greg knows the forum belongs to the members. Greg owns his V-Bulletin License and the Domain.. A forum is not ran by the administrators, it's ran by the users. Tell me who else supports jordan/davidr being banned, besides your friends.

and the reason this "topic" about banned users is going in circles is because no ones listening to the members of this forum and giving us a real reason besides "they were warned in the past, there's more going on behind the scenes that you can't see".

this just seems like a personal issue with the recent members like jordan and david. we'll just leave it at that. there's been no other issue with bannings until them. the pm's supporting the bannings are not friends. they are active members that also have their opinions about banning but choose to post them privately instead of making a fuss of it on the forum. until you guys can get over the jordan and david ban then there's not convincing you otherwise. you dont know their exact history on their bans. so convincing you that it was warranted is pointless. and behind the scene business wont change. we are not NOT listening, we are giving you guys valid reasons but nothing is coming of this. you have your opinions, we have our reasons. you seem to think our reasons need to be public for all to see. thing is, we are listening. if we weren't we would just brush you off.

[Greg-J]

It's tough moderating a forum. It's impossible to take everyone's feelings into consideration when taking action, and it's very easy to react to a situation personally. For everyone vocal about the bans being wrong, I get at least that number of people supporting me in PM. These are members that are much less outspoken that those who were banned and those defending those who were banned. Many of whom feel like they'll be attacked for supporting the banning of anyone. Like they'll be seen as tattle tales if they say anything.

[minnseoelite]

agreed, i know my self and alot of other members have alot of other stuff, bad luck or what ever you wish to call it going on that is making this way more emotional then it needs to be. i think everyone should read chris's post its very good advice imo

[RKGraphics]

yes the term "whole forum" is being thrown around as truth. and its not. its a handful of people, just like its a small handful of those that got banned.

[moonstar]

...
But now, with the MSP links being warned and google gettinmg tuff on people its like, whats gonna happen next?

Maybe myspace will remove the MSP page for your links if you ask them nicely..?

[mcfox]

Everyone knows fine well the reason the forums have gone quiet is because anyone who had anything to say got banned or was threatened with a ban, often for simply voicing their opinion on... dare I say it... myeeos (there, I said it - farewell good people).

Who wants to post in a forum that bans people just for saying something that some of those who run the forum don't want to hear? And don't give me that line that everyone is free to voice their opinions because they're not - which is why the forums are quiet.

All this was summed up fairly recently in this thread (http://www.myspacepros.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15675).

btw Greg, you have people replying to that thread you have on DP asking for scripts - someone dug it up.

[mawt]

Everyone knows fine well the reason the forums have gone quiet is because anyone who had anything to say got banned or was threatened with a ban, often for simply voicing their opinion on... dare I say it... myeeos (there, I said it - farewell good people).

Who wants to post in a forum that bans people just for saying something that some of those who run the forum don't want to hear? And don't give me that line that everyone is free to voice their opinions because they're not - which is why the forums are quiet.


EXACTLY
I have a extremely high warning level all the sudden too, and I didn't do anything except voice my opinion.
I said that davidr would be sad that the deadline that we were told wasn't met. Thats all I said... is that something mean or horrible?

From my point of view, it seems the issues are all coming from myeeos. Maybe it should be removed from mySPACEpros, and a myeeos forum could be made instead?

[Benz]

Since people got banned, The forum has been quiet..simple as that.
A lot of people are scared to have their opinion now.

[Andrew2]

nevermind, you're just spam.